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My point is that words arouse, that making speeches , reading pamphlets, reading a book, can be a call to action. The source of action is in the word.
I find the cynicism of you three to be sad. I find the baseless hatred to be annoying. I am thankful that you are ignored by the world at large. You are just so much peeing into the wind. Beware of the blowback. Moxon needs to get a handle on his ego.
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Here is a sampling of more professional opinions, separate from ravings from the peanut gallery:
TIME’s Scott McLeod Wrote, “President Obama’s Speech In Cairo Today Is The Most Important Address Ever Given By An American Leader About The Middle East…He Didn’t Arrive Or Depart As A Prophet, But For An American President Treading Into Territory Inhospitable To U.S. Policies, He Won Some New Adherents.” On TIME.com’s blog, Scott McLeod wrote, “President Obama's speech in Cairo today is the most important address ever given by an American leader about the Middle East. As he told 1,000 people at Cairo University and millions more around the world, everything won't be solved by a speech. Yet it was an unprecedented reach-out to Muslims and particularly to the Arab world. Far more than any other U.S. president in the past, he both acknowledged harmful Western policies during the Colonial and Cold War eras and promised an intense personal effort to resolve the region's problems and build a new era based on mutual cooperation and respect. The clear message Obama delivered—in his words, body language and statement of policies-- was that America is determined to be part of the solution in the Middle East. He didn't arrive or depart as a prophet, but for an American president treading into territory inhospitable to U.S. policies, he won some new adherents.” [Scott McLeod, TIME.com, 6/4/09 <http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2009/06/04/obama-in-cairo-the-making-of-a-prophet/> ]
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So Obama's speech was just a lot of words with no substance - newsfash: that's what a speech is; words. Sometimes a speech can stir people, as Obama's seems to have done in both the West and the Islamic world, and then, just perhaps, something solid can come of it. I would hazard a second guess; nothing Obama could possibly say and nothing he could possibly do, would gain a single word of praise from you.
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One campaign promise (or half-promise) was to pull out of Iraq. If he did something like this, critics like me would be silenced. Or if he initiated something like single-payer health insurance. Look at his actions. He has been back-tracking on almost every half-promise he made. Other than rhetoric, I don't see major differences between Obama and GWB on substantive issues of foreign and economic policy. The moment Obama got elected, the key word changed instantly, in Orwellian fashion, from "change" to "continuity."
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What Obama is actually doing is not just continuing GWB's policies but digging even deeper into Afghanistan and Pakistan and not pulling out of Iraq. Look at what is happening on the ground. With regard to Israel and the Palestinians, very strong and sustained pressure on Israel would be required for real progress. I don't think Obama will exert it. The one thing he has done is to tell Netanyahu to keep his hands off Iran.
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And here is another thoughtful piece in the Guardian.
And a good essay by Alexander Cockburn at Counterpunch. And finally one by Paul Craig Roberts. Sorry, just found one that echoes my sentiments exactly: Quote:
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The difference between most posters here comes down to the level of cynicism. I'm willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt (for now) - the guy has hardly got his feet under the desk yet. The fact that he is a great speaker seems to count against him in some quarters.
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Let's just say that in this case, it isn't so much what the Guardian thinks, or what Cockburn thinks, or what you or I think ... it is what the Muslim world thinks. That was the audience. That was the necessary audience. That is the audience that will decide what value President Obama's words have. On this issue, at any rate. And since I have only your words -- there being no action I'm aware of by or from you -- I can only judge your character by what you write. As you me. It's just words.
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Again, what is this apparent universal ecstatic vibe he has ignited going to achieve for the Muslim world? Peace in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan? Detente with Iran? A fair and peaceful resolution to the Palestinian problem? No, all of these would require the will of the US to be at all feasible. Apparently as the President of the United Stated he doesn't have the power to influence these events and so he's hoping to change things by making millions feel warm and fuzzy. I'm assuming the givers of plaudits here have been inspired sufficiently to go to the occupied territories and lay down before bulldozers clearing land for more illegal Israeli settlements.
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