A Honky Like Me.

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Trump's Election Now that it is all over but the shouting and there is a whole lot of that.How did this happen with so few people seeing it coming? It would appear that Trump's personality as obnoxious as it is motivated millions of " used to have more" and "forgotten about" people in mainly the Rust Belt to get up off their ass and vote.Maybe for the first time in decades for a good lot of them.Many of these people were probably non-university educated and white but not all of them.
I believe a comparison can be drawn with Peron and Evita .One of the positive results of Peron's first election was that it brought the under class into Argentina's political life which as citizens was their birthright and from which they felt excluded by the elite.
In about 1996 I was having lunch at the counter in a high turnover eatery near my office on Sta.Fe and Libertad.The owner was forever catering to the local yuppie office crowd but who was doing all the real work were ,of course, the short order cooks.One a simple working woman from way out in GBA someplace was being berated by him for not getting the orders out quick enough.She turned to him and shouted for all to hear," Que te pensas vos?"."Si sos rasca igual que yo!".--"Who do you think you are?"."You're a honky just like me!".
 
the average trump voter earns seventy grand a year.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/05/donald-trump-average-voter-income-72000-middle-class/83972800/

certainly there are rural areas where poor white guys did vote for Trump.
But it seems like dislike of Hillary, general desire for "change", and a hope that he really can bring back 30$ per hour steel mill and manufacturing jobs, along with racism, all contributed.

also, it was very much an age related phenomenon.
People under 30 voted against Trump in huge percentages- old people voted for him.

As another old honky, I can tell you- we are dying off.
Future elections will probably be different.
 
the average trump voter earns seventy grand a year.
http://www.usatoday....class/83972800/

certainly there are rural areas where poor white guys did vote for Trump.
But it seems like dislike of Hillary, general desire for "change", and a hope that he really can bring back 30$ per hour steel mill and manufacturing jobs, along with racism, all contributed.

also, it was very much an age related phenomenon.
People under 30 voted against Trump in huge percentages- old people voted for him.

As another old honky, I can tell you- we are dying off.
Future elections will probably be different.
One source income stats are quite doubtful. These guys couldn't even get the polls right. I would be more interested in the Avg. IQ of the Trump voter.
 
One source income stats are quite doubtful. These guys couldn't even get the polls right. I would be more interested in the Avg. IQ of the Trump voter.

All 60 million? It would probably come in right around 100.
 
The staunch Republicans out there voted a straight Republican ticket. They were all tired of the Democrats in office. It really had nothing to do with who the candidate was. Unfortunately, as in most U.S. presidential elections, you don't get very good quality candidates.
 
I don't think anyone who didn't vote for Trump - and can't believe he won - understands what the deal is. I'm amazed that people have to ask. I'm amazed that people couldn't see it coming (I certainly knew why, I just didn't think there were enough people who felt like me in general to produce such a shift in the election). And I'm getting pretty tired of being called an idiot, a racist, a rust-belt farmer or a steel-mill wannabe.

People who don't agree with the Democratic party as a whole are sick and tired of being called those things as well. I didn't used to feel this way, but these days I feel like Democrats as a whole (I know many, many individuals who are great people and count many among my friends) are mean, shrill, arrogant and think they know a whole lot more than anyone else and will do what it takes to ensure that they get done what they want done, and to hell with the other 50% of us stupid hicks - they'll drag us kicking and screaming into their world whether we like it or not.

The truth is, Trump had a lot of problems, or he would have had a complete landslide. Very few "real" Republicans will vote Democratic, and this year, there were only a relatively small percentage of people who couldn't vote for Trump at all (which I guarantee you on the Republican side were few no matter what they said - or even more came out than usual to counter those people who wouldn't vote for Trump). If someone more controlled that was not part of the establishment had gone for it on the Republican side, I don't think the election would have been close. Had the Republicans put up any other candidate that ran in the primaries, I think Hillary would have won.

Many, many people are actually sick of what Democrats (or at least Obama and would have been Hillary) have been trying to push on the country (and I keep going back to Nancy Pelosi and the way she was determined to get ACA passed no matter what the rest of the country thought about it - think about that arrogance and elitist thinking right there! It's what we're talking about!). I've talked until I'm blue in the face about ACA, and still so many Democrats talk about how we have to make it work, it's so important, blah blah blah. That's a big one for a LOT of people. Too many price rises for something that was supposed to make things better. Too many people not able to work with it the way it was promised. Too many exchanges noncompetitive - and most of all - yes, a lot of people covered that weren't before, at the cost of everyone else, while many, many people who already had health coverage are dropping it and paying the fines - or even ignoring the fines altogether.

A huge national debt, which is certainly not only on the Democrats - yet it's the Democrats who want to keep pushing for things like ACA, that we simply can't afford (while yes, the Republicans want to be kings of the world [the Democrats want to too - they just talk about pulling us back but never do anything] and spend far too much money on keeping our presence around the world in everyone's face, which I believe hurts far more than helps). It is indeed Democrats who push for more taxes on evil corporations and evil rich people, while the reality is that the middle class gets more and more of the burden on their shoulders because in reality both sides of the aisle are liars who will do and say anything to get into and stay in power.

The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world among developed nations already. People are not blind automatons, that will just absorb loss after loss "patriotically" and keep industries in the US, and buy much more expensive Made-in-the US-of-A products no matter what - we have to make ourselves competitive again and that won't happen with more and more regulation and higher taxes to pay for more and more entitlements, which make less and less of our population want to work hard (some people really need to go look at the studies that have been done on how entitlements affect people mentally - it ain't with a "thank you for helping me I'll soon be back on my feet", but rather "man, I can't believe I'm getting free shit, sign me up for more!").

If the government would get out of the business of trying to create citizen clients, would quit worrying about telling us how to live every aspect of our lives, and would concentrate on a way to prevent special interests from pushing their selfish agendas over the top of justice and usually even common sense, the country would right itself in moments.

THAT's why people didn't vote for Hillary. All personal feelings of mine aside for the woman, she represents the way things are in so many ways, no matter which side of the aisle you actually vote on. Not to mention the fact that it was obvious even before leaks occurred that Hillary was going to be the Democratic candidate for president before the primaries even got going strong. How is that fair? She was promised this? She simply deserves it? Really?

Why did Trump beat every Republican in the primaries including Jeb Bush, who was originally the Republican favorite? ENOUGH NEPOTISM! And they were pretty much all the same thing as well, just of the Republican bent. It was the hardest thing I had to do to vote for Trump, to be perfectly honest. I don't like the man, I don't like his arrogance and I don't like the way he simply can't control his mouth (or at least didn't bother to do so). But do I think he is different from pretty much any other man as far as the way he talks? I don't know about other guys, but my guy friends are dirty, lewd and crude when no one thinks people who shouldn't be are listening. They're also some of the smartest people I've ever known and include at least 4 millionaires among them (and I hope to become the next, soon!).

Trump may not do a single thing he promised when he was campaigning, if only because everyone will be against him and not lift a finger, even if they believe in something he would like to see happen. That would be politics as usual in a way. But he will shake up the system quite a bit, and indeed I think he already has. It was so important to many of us fiscally conservative types to see someone other than a hellbent Democrats in office for yet another 4 or 8 years. But if Trump doesn't do anything in the next 4 years, it is almost certain to be better than if Hillary had been in office, as far as I'm concerned, i.e. if we just maintain the status quo.

And I'm sick to death of all the crying, the spoiled brat celebrities looking like Hitler was just elected, people thinking they have to flee the country, or go curl up in their protected space and pet a puppy. Unbelievable that these people consider themselves (or are considered by others) adults. I guess the entire constitution of the US was thrown out the window (or will be, rather, when Trump places his hand on the bible) and we're going to start dumping people out of planes into the bay, or lining up them damned foreigners and shoot them and plow them over. For crissake people pull your collective heads out of your collective asses!

So we have a lot of independent types in the rural and suburban areas, and according to some polls I saw, there is a much better chance that a person is Democrat if you live in an urban area. What I see in this are inner-city problems with black and latino people who are clients of the system, and the people who think the only way to help them is to legislate them into the future somehow, instead of concentrating on the things that are ALREADY LAW and prosecute people who break it. One of the biggest breaks, though, being the Michigan union folk that realized the Democrats are not making things any more likely for fabrication to return to the States (probably not possible at this point anyway, thanks to a lot of reasons). That was a big loss for the Democrats!

Let the people sort themselves out. It sure as hell hasn't worked that the government make dependents out of people, Why not give something else a chance? Is that racist? I don't think so. Many people will say so. I say creating laws that are supposed to target people with specific racial backgrounds IS RACIST and in the worst way, but that's just my opinion - well, maybe not just mine any more.

Anyway, the whole idea that Trump was raised to power by racists and ignorant rednecks is a dangerous thing to think if you are on the "other side", I guarantee. It means those people still haven't heard the word, the kind of thing that started with the Tea Party (which pretty much has the same kind of treatment that Trump got, even though both are different in many ways.), are going to continue to be bewildered in election after election - I hope.
 
[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]"And I'm getting pretty tired of being called an idiot, a racist, a rust-belt farmer or a steel-mill wannabe." [/background]ElQueso
[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]You'll get used to it and it looks so good on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/background]
 
ElQueso - [background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]That's a big one for a LOT of people. Too many price rises for something that was supposed to make things better. Too many people not able to work with it the way it was promised. Too many exchanges noncompetitive - and most of all - yes, a lot of people covered that weren't before, at the cost of everyone else, while many, many people who already had health coverage are dropping it and paying the fines - or even ignoring the fines altogether.[/background]

[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]My career experience is in the US health industry as a participant for 40 years on both sides of the table, gov't and private, and at a variety of levels. [/background][background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]In general terms, [/background][background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]I agree with your observations on this particular subject. [/background][background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]But I think the pros and cons on the issue of ACA are much more complex.[/background][background=rgb(252, 252, 252)] [/background]
 
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