Anti-Peronist Opposition Calls It A Day

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The anti-peronist coalition officially self-destructed today with the withdrawal of Elisa "Chanchita" Carrió from the bag of cats formerly known as FAUNEN, thus leaving no viable challenger to prevent the Peronistas from returning for another round of "Let's Destroy the Working Class".

When asked to comment on the situation, Darth Helmet quipped "So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb"

Discuss.
 
Frente Security Camera and Herr Macri were always more likely candidates. I have a clearer understanding of Fermat's Last Theorem than I do of (FA)UNEN/UCR's manifesto.

I do know that little Lilita fitted in there like a wolf at a llama party.
 
Leave it to a hard-core Argie native like Mágico to jump on a sinking ship.

Mlle. Carrió has been party to more coalitions than CFK has had facelifts. But she has yet to break 10% in any national poll. As for PRO, they would be huge favourites in the 2015 race if Cap Fed were the only province voting. But as long as there is a "rest of the country" they haven't got a tenth of the political machine needed to win a nationwide election.

Like I said, get yourselves used to peronismo eterno, and thank miss piggy while you're at it.
 
The anti-peronist coalition officially self-destructed today with the withdrawal of Elisa "Chanchita" Carrió from the bag of cats formerly known as FAUNEN, thus leaving no viable challenger to prevent the Peronistas from returning for another round of "Let's Destroy the Working Class".

When asked to comment on the situation, Darth Helmet quipped "So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb"

Discuss.

I missunderstood. Sorry.
 
I absolutely agree Matías, as long as peronismo does not include Rodrigo, Cavallo, Menem, Duhalde... or 90% of the rest of the peronists.

And btw, same goes for Lt Gral JDP himself, who stuck his own knife in the workers movement's back in '73.

Your selective definition of the word has left it utterly meaningless.
 
I absolutely agree Matías, as long as peronismo does not include Rodrigo, Cavallo, Menem, Duhalde... or 90% of the rest of the peronists.

And btw, same goes for Lt Gral JDP himself, who stuck his own knife in the workers movement's back in '73.

Your selective definition of the word has left it utterly meaningless.

exactly Menem, Cavallo, Rodrigo, etc were all neoliberals, pro-small state, privatizations, ajuste (rodrigazo), etc, etc, Peronismo is all about nac & pop, nacional, nationalise, the contrary of privatise. Keynes, the contrary of neoliberals, State into economy, strong and big state, industry, import and not exports (agrarian model of the militars), etc

I talked in this board zillion times why these are not peronistas and the others yes.
 
Here (likewise with all due respect) I fixed your post for you:

exactly Menem, Cavallo, Rodrigo, etc were all Peronist neoliberals, pro-small state, privatizations, ajuste (rodrigazo), etc, etc, The Peronismo I like is all about nac & pop, nacional, nationalise, the contrary of privatise. Keynes, the contrary of neoliberals, State into economy, strong and big state, industry, import and not exports (agrarian model of the militars), etc

I talked in this board zillion times why these are not peronistas and the others yes. I just choose to ignore the fact that most peronists are neo-liberals.
 
See, it happens that peronismo is something very well defined. It has its anthem, ist slogans, its songs, its presence in the colectivo imaginario. And its quite the oposite of neoliberalismo. The exact opposite. That is a fact.
The matter that peronists are clearly a majority and under democracy the majority wins and that some neoliberals had used all this party and such to impose another regime; the fact that they usurpated the party and impose a model that goes in the exact opposite direction does not make them peronistas. If you look at the promises in those campaigns it was clearly peronismo, google salariazo y revolucion productiva. Menem and Cavallo were not peronistas because they did the exact opposite of what peronismo says. Simple. Not by accident then the party imploded into pieces, as well as radicalismo.
 
Peronism died in 55', 10 years away from reaching the goal line that was industrialization and development.

What came next was just a pissed take.
 
Matías, we've debated this many times before, and here's a basic summary:

Ed: Peronists are usually neo-liberals that have collectively worked to destroy the Argentine economy. Proof:, Menem, Rodrigo, Cavallo, even Perón himself...​

Matías: No you don't understand peronism. It's about anti-neo-liberalism. Proof: the slogans, the hymns, the rhetoric.​


Essentially, your argument is "look at what peronism claims and what a few of them have done!" My argument is, "no look at what most peronists have actually done!"

Since you're a sociologist, I would greatly encourage you to look at peronism in comparison to other so-called labour movements around the world: PSOE in Spain, the Labour Party in the UK, the Socialists in France.

All of these movements follow the exact same pattern as Peronism: they start off as workers parties, with not only good rhetoric, but also with good policies to back up the rhetoric (eg, greater worker participation in politics, nationalisation of industry, universal suffrage...). But inevitably, the party gets co-opted by the powerful and the policies are reversed (eg, Labour dismantling the NHS, the Socialists imposing austerity, Menem privatising the country's industry...).

My point is: you are a sociologist with a good understanding of history. You should know better than to look at rhetoric.

There should be no doubt that since 2003 a lot of good has been done to repair the Argentine economy. But a basic study of political movements and politicians shows that this was not done because of the Menemist Kirchners but rather in spite of them. The Argentine populace sent the ruling classes a very clear message in 2001-02: change or die. So the K's did an abrupt about face, but as recent years have shown, just like any other politician, they will gladly return to neo-liberalism if there is no popular pressure against them. The popular pressure in 2001 did not come from the PJ party structure, and it will not in the future either.
 
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