Has CFK completely lost touch?

Gringoboy

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As we all know, tomorrow is the CGT strike and march on the Plaza de Mayo.
Her recent announcement that the police will NOT be there is a worrying development.
If I'm not mistaken, there are elements who agitate for the government at marches such as this and very often get off scot free.
I think this move is designed to reduce the numbers of people prepared to march, through fear of having no police protection.
This may be considered to be a shrewd move on her part, but as I said in a previous post, it just adds fuel to the fire (to quote a Moyano family member).
It also appears that some of the opposition are beginning to crawl out their caves and give voice, which is long overdue.
Naturally, CFK has declared that there will be no changes in the tax laws.
I sincerely hope that tomorrow passes off without incident.
 

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Gringoboy said:
As we all know, tomorrow is the CGT strike and march on the Plaza de Mayo.
Her recent announcement that the police will NOT be there is a worrying development.
If I'm not mistaken, there are elements who agitate for the government at marches such as this and very often get off scot free.
I think this move is designed to reduce the numbers of people prepared to march, through fear of having no police protection.
This may be considered to be a shrewd move on her part, but as I said in a previous post, it just adds fuel to the fire (to quote a Moyano family member).
It also appears that some of the opposition are beginning to crawl out their caves and give voice, which is long overdue.
Naturally, CFK has declared that there will be no changes in the tax laws.
I sincerely hope that tomorrow passes off without incident.
Actually I think CFK is trying to avoid any physical confrontation with Moyano and his goons. As such I doubt if any of her goons will be there, though some of those goons are not always apt to respect her wishes.
 

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Can't we just concentrate all the goons and mafias in plaza de mayo and let them have at it freely in a no holds barred deathmatch-type showdown? I, for one, would like to be rid of the goons.

On the other hand, I think it is really cool that this is a protest over income taxes. The uncool part is the mafioso who is leading the protest.

Although I am inclined to support any kind of anti-tax protest. Argentina needs more of these. Seriously... 35% income taxes on top of 40% social security taxes? WTF is that?
 

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el_expatriado said:
Can't we just concentrate all the goons and mafias in plaza de mayo and let them have at it freely

Some would think what a stupid careless remark either made in ignorance or intended to offend.

Similar line of thinking would be to condone dropping bombs on them as well ... as was tried in June 1955?

http://www.nocturnar.com/forum/historia/196716-1955-bombardeo-plaza-de-mayo.html

Better would be if Cristina provided them with a giant inflatable bouncy cushion and then they could keep jumping up and down for as long as they liked until exhaustion takes over and no one gets hurt.

Pay your taxes - Taxes are the price we pay for civilization and bouncy castles for all
 

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The total tax rate on profits in Argentina is 108%.

http://www.doingbusiness.org/~/medi...cuments/Special-Reports/Paying-Taxes-2012.pdf

Everyone should pay tax. But paying more than you earn isn't part of the social contract.

Thank you for adding this to my reading matter.

Whilst I'm absorbing this then explain to me why companies are still doing business?

The "Laffer curve" hypothesis suggests should not be doing business as are not behaving rationally.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Laffer+Curve

Or are you suggesting that the Laffer curve is nonsense

Ah yes you say the tax rate "on profits". And this is by PWC I see ... well I'll carry on reading.

It is possible to conceive of a total tax rate of 100% (but not more) in a command economy which is a characteristic of K economics

The social contract is not an economic concept. Are you suggesting you withdraw from your civic duty? Maybe seeking to impose philosophical concepts from the American Declaration of independence upon another sovereign state?

Seems to me to many people in Argentina are using this as an excuse for not paying their taxes which brings us back to definitions of civilisation which arn't necessarily carbon copies of the "land of the free" in another hemisphere.
 

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PhilinBSAS said:
TIt is possible to conceive of a total tax rate of 100% (but not more) in a command economy which is a characteristic of K economics

The social contract is not an economic concept. Are you suggesting you withdraw from your civic duty? Maybe seeking to impose philosophical concepts from the American Declaration of independence upon another sovereign state?

Seems to me to many people in Argentina are using this as an excuse for not paying their taxes which brings us back to definitions of civilisation which arn't necessarily carbon copies of the "land of the free" in another hemisphere.

I do not know anyone here who pays there proper tax rate, most pay some, and even pay their workers part in white and part in black. They say they wouldnt make any profit otherwise. I dont know how true that is, as with any country people want to pay as little tax as they can get away with...

From memory this 108% was the same as last year. How does coke or other big corps make money ? As i cant imagine them draining money off before the tax man gets it !!!!
 

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Gringoboy said:
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I sincerely hope that tomorrow passes off without incident.

condoning violence in Plaza de Mayo as part of a political campaign isn't legitimised by quoting Rousseau
 

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PhilinBSAS said:
condoning violence in Plaza de Mayo as part of a political campaign isn't legitimised by quoting Rousseau
:confused::confused:

Now that has really got me scratching my head. Or did I miss something?
 

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Gringoboy said:
:confused::confused:

Now that has really got me scratching my head. Or did I miss something?

umm - yes I guess it is rather cryptic taken in isolation :)

I rather reacted to a suggestion earlier in the postings to the idea that blood-letting between warring factions in Plaza de Mayo was in anyway constructive and scorning a notion this is supportive for achieving tax reductions. There was then another posting quoting "social contracts" - a philosophical notion which Rousseau amoungst others circulated at about the time that the USA Declaration of Independence was being drafted as I'm sure everyone knows. I am unconvinced by this either as good philosophy as a basis for resolving issues re:The Man v The State or in any way helpful for Argentina at this present moment and sought to bring back attention to a line in your OP which I extracted as I think that's most relevant

and I did get rather distracted into thinking about the benefits of state aided bouncy cushions as a way of relieving tensions especially for Argentinians as I've noticed they like to jump around a lot at times like this (and seem to think it worthwhile to point out the English are missing out)

Clear? :confused:

Clear as the swiftly flowing and silvery waters of Rio de la Plata!

Now I've got to read up on international comparisons of corporation's marginal tax rates as expounded by PWC (and which isnt my specialist subject) so that teaches me to think before jumping
 
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