Is Obama the NEW Capone (Chicago gangster) of the USA?

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I cannot think of a single cabinet member, EVER, who is scarier than Henry "kill em all" Kissinger. Are you that misinformed Ries!!!!!!!

Henry Kissinger is a close friend of Obama and is the main reason that he was elected through his connections with the Bildenberg group.

Also for your information Henry Kissinger is the State Department Special Envoy a very important cabinet position and was appointed by Obama. What do you say to that Ries?
 

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. . . . As for Obama being a "chicago gangster"- people who say that obviously know nothing about Chicago- both my father and grandfather grew up there- and REAL chicago gangster/politicians did a lot of stuff Obama could not, would not, and will not- like hundreds of "no show" political appointees, like huge kickbacks for EVERY government contract, like allowing contractors to mix anti-freeze with the concrete, so the road construction is never done, like paying the same guy to vote several times, like getting real criminals off due to bribes, like getting big payoffs, in cash, from government unions, political appointments to judges, city boards, and employees based solely on connections or bribes, and on and on. People died in Chicago, and their deaths were never investigated, cops were used to break up strikes by beating or actually killing workers, building permits, fines, and tickets can be bought and sold- heck, as recently as 20 years ago, Chicago cops would give you change during the process of bribing them not to give you a traffic ticket- a good buddy of mine got change for a 20 from one in the 80's, for driving a truck on Lake Shore Blvd. . . .
Good points, "Ries". But as Mr. Obama is a loyal partisan of the same political party that perpetrated these crimes (and continues to perpetrate some of them) and claims its turf as his hometown, it's not altogether unreasonable that an observer should suspect him of the same tendencies, is it?
 

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Harpo you sound like the classic apologist for a corrupt system
Not I.

I can't see Obama as being worse than any other politico. All these guys have to play the system, bob and weave, associate with dubious characters. You could say the same about Roosevelt or Lincoln (who incidentally rode roughshod over the constitution something horrid!)

I sense a certain despair here. I am not American, but I have a profound respect for your country and I can see some strange currents of thought in a strange and disturbing time. Obama is an intelligent man and he's the man at the helm right now - cut him some slack or the whole ship could go down.
 

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I cannot think of a single cabinet member, EVER, who is scarier than Henry "kill em all" Kissinger. Are you that misinformed Ries!!!!!!!

Henry Kissinger is a close friend of Obama and is the main reason that he was elected through his connections with the Bildenberg group.

Also for your information Henry Kissinger is the State Department Special Envoy a very important cabinet position and was appointed by Obama. What do you say to that Ries?

This sounds like it comes from Lyndon Larouche!

Henry Kissinger had nothing to do with Obama being elected.
Kissinger was an adviser to McCain in the election.
Kissinger quit working for the federal government when Jimmy Carter was elected.
He does not hold a job with the Obama administration, is not paid, has no staff, no influence, and is not in any way shape or form in a "very important cabinet postion".

Obama was elected because individual americans voted for him, and as one of those american voters, I am frankly insulted that you think somebody as reprehensible as Kissinger, who was responsible for bombing Cambodia, which lead to the Killing Fields- who was responsible for supporting and enabling Pinochet in Chile- who was complicit in Chilean agents bombing cars in Washington DC- to say that Kissinger somehow influenced my vote, or others- its just plain silly.

Kissinger is without a doubt a war criminal, a sleazebag, a toady to the rich, such as the Bush Family, and NOT a close friend of Obama. They have only met a few times.

Please tell me who, of all the other Obama cabinet officers, is as bad as Kissinger? Tell me who is as bad as Cheney, or Rummy, or Ashcroft? Or as clueless as Gonzales?
 

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Ries why then is Kissinger the State Department special envoy for the Obama administration? Open your eyes !!!!!


WMR) -- The Obama administration is not only maintaining the Bush administration’s policies, which seek to promote confrontation with the progressive bloc of Latin American nations, but is actually hearkening back to the past imperialistic policies of the administration of Richard Nixon.
During the Nixon administration, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who was also national security adviser, oversaw the bloody overthrow of Chilean Socialist President Salvador Allende on September 11, 1973 (which in Chile is a much more important “9/11” than what occurred in the United States in 2001 -- although both can be considered rightist putsch coups d’etat). After penning an agreement with Colombia’s narco-fascist government that will see the establishment of seven new U.S. air and naval bases in Colombia, the Obama administration now stands ready to see the election of a right-wing candidate to succeed Chilean Socialist President Michelle Bachelet in December’s presidential election.
All the usual U.S. electoral contrivances appear to be at work in Chile. Chiefly among them is the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) funded International Republican Institute (IRI), which champions right-wing political parties in Latin America and was at the center of coups and attempted coups in Haiti, Honduras, Venezuela, and Bolivia and elections in Panama, Nicaragua, Peru, Costa Rica, Paraguay, Guatemala, Mexico, and other countries on behalf of right-wing presidential candidates. On the board of the IRI are such right-wing notables as John McCain, L. Paul “Jerry’ Bremer, neocon operative Randy Scheunemann, and Representative David Dreier (R-CA).
Operating alongside the IRI to influence the Chilean election are the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), a virtual arm of the CIA, and the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs (NDIIA), on whose board and advisory board serve such problematic individuals as Madeleine Albright, Geraldine Ferraro, former Representative Martin Frost (D-TX), former Representative Stephen Solarz (D-NY), and former Representative Richard Gephardt (D-MO).
The NED funds both the IRI and NDIIA from U.S. taxpayers’ money.
After helping to stir up labor and public service problems in Chile, particularly involving the privatization of mass transit in Santiago, the U.S.-led contrivance of governmental and non-governmental organizations, including those connected to George Soros’s Open Society Institute, are clearly favoring the Harvard-educated billionaire right-wing candidate of the Alliance for Chile (APC), Sebastian Pinera, over his center-left main challenger former President Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle. It is a mirror image of U.S. support for rightist presidential candidates in Mexico, Panama, Colombia, and other Latin American countries.
Pinera has been linked to a 1982 CIA bank operation in Chile involving the liquidated Talca Bank and money laundering involving Chilean dictator General Augusto Pinochet. During his reign, Pinochet hid millions of dollars in foreign bank accounts, including many in the United States, particularly in Washington, DC’s Riggs Bank, a bank that was closely connected to the Bush family before being acquired by PNC Bank.
The time frame for the Pinera revelations is important since it comes one year before President Barack Obama went to work for a CIA front in Manhattan called Business International Corporation (BIC) and was involved in writing specialized economic reports for the CIA front company for countries that included Chile. Although his role in the firm has been downplayed, Obama at 22 years old had his own office and secretary. And at 22 years old, Obama was meeting influential Japanese bankers and German bond traders. In fact, BIC had a close relationship with former West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, as well as former British Prime Minister Edward Heath, while Obama worked for BIC.
On January 14 of this year, Gannett News Service carried the following item about Obama’s employment for BIC: “1983-84: Works for Business International Corp., a firm helping American business abroad.” Gannett failed to do its homework on the firm’s links to the CIA.
Australian author John Pilger recently stated that BIC specialized in infiltrating foreign labor unions with the goal of promoting disruptions in targeted economies. Pilger stated that BIC, as a CIA front, engaged in such actions in Australia. More recently, the CIA has used labor disruptions in pre-coup attempts in Venezuela and Bolivia. Labor strife was also used by the CIA to cause problems for Bachelet’s government in Chile, as well as the husband and wife Kirchner presidencies in Argentina.
Although BIC had its headquarters in New York, near the United Nations, in 1984, while Obama worked for the firm, it leased an office in downtown Washington at 815 15th St. NW, near what would eventually become Obama’s home, the White House. While Obama was with BIC, the firm closely monitored the burgeoning foreign debts of Latin American nations, thanks primarily to high U.S. interest rates. The Sandinista government in Nicaragua was also high on BIC’s watch list, something that may be coloring Obama’s reaction to the military coup against Zelaya in Honduras and the opposition to that coup from Sandinista President Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua. As a CIA employee from 1983 and 1984, Obama would have been indoctrinated into the entire U.S. propaganda effort aimed at convincing the American people that there was a “communist threat” to the United States in Central America.
The tilting of the Obama administration to Pinera will be sure to raise eyebrows all over Latin America, which has, after the support of the Obama administration for the military coup against President Manuel Zelaya in Honduras, taken a jaundiced view of the intentions of Obama in Latin America.
The use of Colombia as an American “aircraft” carrier in Latin America is also reminding Latin Americans, especially Chileans, of the actions of the Nixon administration. Recent declassified Nixon administration documents now indicate that the Nixon administration used Brazil as a base for overthrowing Allende in Chile. The use of Colombia by the Obama administration has many Latin American countries recalling the worst excesses of the Nixon administration in their region. According to documents obtained by the National Security Archive, a Nixon conversation with Brazil’s President Emilio Medici in 1971 stated, “The president [Nixon] said that it was very important that Brazil and the United States work closely in this field. . . . If money were required or other discreet aid, we might be able to make it available.” Medici, Brazil’s military dictator, told Nixon that Brazilian military officers were working with Chilean officers to overthrow Allende. Nixon designated Kissinger, who now serves as Obama’s special envoy to Moscow, as his back channel liaison to Medici to discuss the overthrow of Allende and the use of a sex scandal involving an affair and a love child with Miss Peru to embarrass left-wing Peruvian President Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru.
Given the present policies of the Obama administration towards Latin America, Colombia’s President Alvaro Uribe seems to have replaced Emilio Medici as America’s willing “dirty tricks” operative in Latin America. In fact, when it comes to Latin America, Barry Obama is beginning to look more and more like “Tricky Dick” Nixon every day.
 

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Ries said:
This is just silly.
Name a single Obama cabinet minister who is as scary as Donald Rumsfeld, or John Ashcroft, or Dick Cheney.
Or what about ol' "I'm in control" Alexander Haig?
I cannot think of a single cabinet member, EVER, who is scarier than Henry "kill em all" Kissinger.

As for Obama being a "chicago gangster"- people who say that obviously know nothing about Chicago- both my father and grandfather grew up there- and REAL chicago gangster/politicians did a lot of stuff Obama could not, would not, and will not- like hundreds of "no show" political appointees, like huge kickbacks for EVERY government contract, like allowing contractors to mix anti-freeze with the concrete, so the road construction is never done, like paying the same guy to vote several times, like getting real criminals off due to bribes, like getting big payoffs, in cash, from government unions, political appointments to judges, city boards, and employees based solely on connections or bribes, and on and on. People died in Chicago, and their deaths were never investigated, cops were used to break up strikes by beating or actually killing workers, building permits, fines, and tickets can be bought and sold- heck, as recently as 20 years ago, Chicago cops would give you change during the process of bribing them not to give you a traffic ticket- a good buddy of mine got change for a 20 from one in the 80's, for driving a truck on Lake Shore Blvd.

NONE of this stuff has happened in the US government since Obama was elected- althoug some of it did happen under Bush...

You may not agree with Obama's policies, and thats fine- but he is not, in any rational definition of the word, a "gangster".


Ries,

You mention men such as Donald Rumsfeld, John Ashcroft, Dick Cheney, Alexander Haig, Henry Kissinger - let's also throw in Karl Rove, George Bush junior and senior...et al. they all work for the same team. They are all on the same side and this includes obama who is nothing more than a front man, an employee for this criminal, international crime syndicate.

We when use the word "gangster", please don't get caught up with the literal image of a figure in a trench coat with black gloves and a tommy gun hidden underneath. Obama is being a gangster by being the face of this criminal outfit. Watch the videos and read the articles in order to learn more about who the real enemies are so that we can stop wasting time talking about left/right politics.


America: Freedom to Fascism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

Inside The Great American Bubble Machine
Matt Taibbi on how Goldman Sachs has engineered every major market manipulation since the Great Depression
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/28816321/the_great_american_bubble_machine

For Goldman, a Swift Return to Lofty Profits
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/business/13goldman.html?_r=2&hp
 

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But, RR, isn't this why we're in Argentina -- to avoid doing something about the "fall of our [former] country"?


you're right RWS but it doesn't mean that i still don't care about our country.

it's funny, when i lived in the US i never cared anything about politics or the government. it's only until i began living outside the US did i realize how literally brainwashed the average American really is.

and it was only then that i began to realize that our government is a fraud, a sham against the people - coupled with the rapid acceleration of events these past several years.

also - i don't believe that simply being physically located outside the US is the entire answer. when the dollar falls, the argentine economy, along with any other country that pegs its currency to the dollar, will suffer some kind of economic calamity. this is why we need to buy gold and silver and not be overly leveraged in dollar assets.

check out the viewpoints of these websites for more info about the Austrian school of economics and not Keynesian junk economics, which is the perilous road we are on right now.

Ron Paul discusses Austrian vs. Keynesian economics on Morning Joe 05/15/2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ3JNcMDWwg

http://www.financialsense.com

http://www.europac.net
 

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jp said:
Macroeconomics, politics and history aren't quite as easily digested as conspiracy theory, but equally I don't know how anyone can seriously believe they are in a privileged position of understanding whats really going on in the world, because they've seen a few internet documentaries and read some david icke and alex jones.

Everyone's entitled to their beliefs, but every time I'm told I need to "wake up" I just think of jehova's witnesses trying to save my soul before the day of reckoning comes...


JP -

I know you don't know me but please give me the benefit of the doubt. I don't base my views on simply watching a few videos, nor do i feel that i have any privileged position. i certainly don't believe that i know it all.

My viewpoints are based upon an accumulation of research and the conclusions I have drawn over time. The information is out there. It's so easily accessible if a person wants to find it. It's right under our noses. The issue is that most people never take the time to look. It all begins to make more sense once a person has a base of knowledge. This allows a person to easily see the agenda in action and connect the dots as current world events unfold.

I guess the first step is a person needs to at least be open enough to the possibility that things are not quite what they seem. This can be very uncomfortable at first as our brains don't like cognitive dissonance. We like to believe things are the way they are or appear - for the most part. It's at this point when a person begins to break their conditioning and stop believing in the false paradigms that have been created for us - i.e. Democrats vs Repulicans.

Watch the videos. Read the articles. Do research on the web. Then draw your own conclusions. But don't discount somebody else's opinion simply because it doesn't mesh with your own.

The last thing I want would be for somebody to simply take what I say at face value. Each person owes it to themselves to invest the time to do their own research rather than simply discounting it right off the bat as silly conspiracy theories or right wing, gun toting, racist nut jobs.
 

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cabrera said:
Obama offers false hopes to the gullible . Watch this video and see who Obama really takes his orders from.

From Freedom to Fascism
You believe this overblown guff, then call other people gullible!
 
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