land grabs

[sts7049]

i'm seeing quite a bit of articles in the news about various land grabs in different parts of the country.

why does this seem to be such a common thing here? do property owners not have any rights to remove people who illegally enter on their property?

 

[Renzi]

Could you be more specific and possibly post a link to what you're talking about? There has been a lot of land grabbing by multinational corporations over the years, but your remarks about "property rights" makes me think you're probably not referring to that.

 

[camel]

Stuff like this maybe - "usurpacion"

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https://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/if44jc

https://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/ieq4p5

 

[mc kenna]

That's precisely what happen to a country when populists gov' rule. Not only land owners have no right to defend themselves or their property , it is actually an agenda pushed by Mr grabois a proud communist very close to the current administration. It is just a matter of time now before it gets ugly.

 

[on the brink]

Grabois is also the Pope's darling.

 

[antipodean]

Aren’t some of these related to indigenous people in the south (Mapuche?)

In which case perhaps the question for Argentina to finally address is who grabbed whose land and whose rights were violated in the first place. Until then, a society without a solid base in justice is always going to be a bit of Wild Wild West where everyone is the victim of someone else when it comes to property rights. Unfortunately it is the ugly truth of many “new world” countries colonized by Europeans including this one.

 

[elhombresinnombre]

Unlike the Americas and the big island to it's west, New Zealand gives the impression of relative harmony between its first nation people and the latecomers. If this is a fair impression, how would you say that this has been achieved?

 

[jblaze5779]

Alot of it is people who can't afford housing. They're just setting up tents and wood shacks wherever the land is undefended. There is a huge tent city to the north of town here. Also, a new one forming on the east side of the city. These definitely are not people with means, the housing is sticks and plastic sheets or whatever else blows across the desert.

The property owners aren't around and so they squat wherever they want. The politicians don't want to do anything because it's not a good look to dehouse poor people.

The mapuchi claims I've seen so far are disputed and dubious. They say theyre mapuchi but can't prove any lineage or history of being native.

Def not an expert but it's my experience in the interior.

 

[antipodean]

Unlike the Americas and the big island to it's west, New Zealand gives the impression of relative harmony between its first nation people and the latecomers. If this is a fair impression, how would you say that this has been achieved?

Well it generally avoided acts of genocide or attempts thereof in order to get free land or labour as was the standard recipe for colonization...

While NZ is better than most countries but there are open wounds and special courts to resolve them. Most of these claims arise from historic “sales” of property by the indigenous to settlers that may have been fraudulent, deceptive or forced. The main part of the “constitution” is actually a “letter of invitation” from the Maori to the British before mass colonization took place setting out the rules and ensuring things like property rights were clear-ish and fair-ish. It also ensured political representation and participation, cultural recognition including language, economic participation, indigenous ownership over natural resources, more or less since day one of the state coming into existence etc. Pretty advanced stuff for the 19th century along with other avant-garde things like letting women vote.

 

[London2Baires]

Ambito just posted something on this, below:

Reclamo mapuche: cortocircuito entre Río Negro y la Casa Rosada

Buscarán este lunes acercar posiciones la gobernadora y la ministra de Seguridad. Primeras tensiones en la sociedad entre oficialismo rionegrino y el Gobierno nacional. Duras expresiones de Weretilneck.

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