Look at this picture and THE Queen is screaming about poverty????

hehe, it's evita 2.0, she was also famous for living the good life while/and helping the poor get the illusion of getting better off. Like Jackie O

that's one of the differences between socialism and nat/socialism or corporativism. in the latter being well off and helping the poor is not a contradiction.

disregarding politics, it's a psychological thing. people love what and who they see on tv, no matter if they don't resemble the watchers, the glamour is enough. The presidents wearing a mink coat means a promise for many that they'll have heating this winter.

Human psychology has its exploitable flukes...
 
Whacko? Perhaps. But you can't deny she's a smart and effective politician. I don't like her but I do have to say I agree with her stance on YPF.

After reading the article I find the author's position on Falklands/Malvinas to be exremely clearsighted and reasoned. Neither Argentina nor Britain have shown any desire to enter into an agreement that would benefit the three parties involved. It's called diplomacy. Get with the program!
 
why agree on ypf, and what does the uk gov have to do to further benefit the party involved that actually inhabits the Falklands
 
GS_Dirtboy said:
After reading the article I find the author's position on Falklands/Malvinas to be exremely clearsighted and reasoned.

Really? I though it was appallingly researched, full of glaring errors, oversights and assumptions.

The title of the article is based on the incorrect assumption that the UK will get rich from the oil. This is completely misleading, given that the oil belongs exclusively to the islanders. In the comments section the author tries to address this bizarre error by claiming that whilst "he was aware" that the oil belongs exclusively to the islanders, he finds it "hard to comprehend".

GS_Dirtboy said:
Neither Argentina nor Britain have shown any desire to enter into an agreement that would benefit the three parties involved.

Yes they have. In the 90s there was a bi-lateral treaty made to share hydrocarbon revenues The islanders and Argentina both stood to profit from exploration. Argentina withdrew from the treaty a few years back, because they felt they shouldn't have to share anything they own exclusively.

Perhaps the author was also aware of this bi-lateral treaty to share oil revenue, but he couldn't comprehend why Argentina withdrew from it.

Oh, and aside from the fact that the whole piece is written based on a flawed assumption of how oil revenues are shared - he also gets the anniversary wrong. Its 30 years since the war, not 20. Perhaps he was aware of that as well, but found it hard to comprehend.
 
Terrible article. Argentina has vast resources they could exploit themselves without demanding all the resources around a couple of little islands.

Uruguay has recently found oil in the seas around it. If there's oil there imagine how much may be around the huge coast of Argentina?

There was already an agreement to share profits from oil and fish around the Falklands with Argentina but Nestor walked out on those talks. If it wasn't for the crazy policies of the Kitchners they would be making a lot more through all the workers / infrastructure / pipes being built/ refineries and loads more general oil work!

Argentina could be in the perfect position to profit from any oil but the politicians they elect have put them in the position they are now.

With stories of 600 million dollars vanishing into the accounts of the k's from the sale of YPF in the first place, i wonder how much would actually go to help poverty if they ever did get their hands on the oil.
 
GS_Dirtboy said:
Whacko? Perhaps. But you can't deny she's a smart and effective politician. I don't like her but I do have to say I agree with her stance on YPF.

After reading the article I find the author's position on Falklands/Malvinas to be exremely clearsighted and reasoned. Neither Argentina nor Britain have shown any desire to enter into an agreement that would benefit the three parties involved. It's called diplomacy. Get with the program!

You agree with her stance on YPF? You with an MBA agree with the idea that a government can effectively and efficiently exploit this resource at the lowest cost when they can't even run the basics of a country very well? Come on dude. And you think she's an effective and smart politician?! She's nothing more than a populist and a corrupt one at that.

All of the world with vast hydrocarbon resources allow private companies to produce their resources with a PSA (production sharing agreement) in place that allows the government to retain a % of the production in cash. Even countries like Venezuela (that is a total disaster following the same nationalization mentality) partner with private companies for all exploration and production activities. I was just in meetings there in December and there were representatives from companies and countries in the meeting.

I realize you've got a helluva sense of self-worth but you're off base. Now more than ever why should the British concede anything to Argentina concerning oil off the Falklands when they've proven that given a hand, they'll bite off your arm. Where was the 'diplomacy' in terms of YPF? The Spanish were trying to meet with Cristina, Axel, and the whole gang for months and were blown off.
 
My esteemed colleagues, sirs, and madams. If you are going to debate issues you need to learn to seperate them and not collude them in your arguments.

First, I didn't say the article was a great article, nor even factually accurate. I said I agreed with the author's stance on a solution. The Falklands / Malvinas and Gibralter are the last two colonized areas in the world. Britain and Spain found a workable agreement on Gibralter, which is strategically much more important to both countries than the Falklands.

Second, I'll clarify my statment on the willingness to talk. Neither Britain nor Argentina are currently willing to enter into diplomatic talks for a solution. Both have legal rights to the islands, but neither is willing to negotiate -the only viable option for a solution. If Christina really wanted the islands she'd be sending food and tourists, not cutting off supply lines.

Third, your perception of their ability to run the oil and gas production has nothing to do with good macroeconomic policy. Whether they can, or can't, is a seperate issue from the economic reality that a country's resources belong to the country and they should benefit from them. The PSA with YPF was a non-starter. Repsol didn't invest anywhere near enough in Argentina as they were busy exploring other areas of the world.

Fourth, that the government is corrupt is a seperate issue from the fact that they have the right, and responsibility to the people of the country to maximize the value of their resources.

Lastly, yes she's an effective and smart politician. You may not like her or agree with her but she's got an astounding approval rating from the Argetine people. Don't know where you blokes are from, but that's never the case where I'm from. Typically 1/2 of our population is at odds with the elected President.
 
GS_Dirtboy said:
The Falklands / Malvinas and Gibralter are the last two colonized areas in the world.


really?

Australian Territories.

  • Ashmore and Cartier Islands
  • Christmas Island
  • Cocos (Keeling) Islands
  • Coral Sea Islands
  • Heard Island and McDonald Islands
  • Norfolk Island
Danish Territories
  • Faroe Islands
  • Greenland
Dutch Territories

  • Aruba
  • Netherlands Antilles
French Territories

  • Bassas da India
  • Clipperton Island
  • Europa Island
  • French Guiana
  • French Polynesia
  • French Southern and Antarctic Lands
  • Glorioso Islands
  • Guadeloupe
  • Juan de Nova Island
  • Martinique
  • Mayotte
  • New Caledonia
  • Réunion
  • Saint Pierre and Miquelon
  • Tromelin Island
  • Wallis and Futuna
New Zealand Territories
  • Cook Islands
  • Niue
  • Tokelau
Norwegian Territories
  • Bouvet Island
  • Jan Mayen
  • Svalbard
UK Territories

  • Anguilla
  • Bermuda
  • British Indian Ocean Territory
  • British Virgin Islands
  • Cayman Islands
  • Falkland Islands
  • Gibraltar
  • Guernsey
  • Jersey
  • Isle of Man
  • Montserrat
  • Pitcairn Islands
  • Saint Helena
  • South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
  • Turks and Caicos Islands
US Territories

  • American Samoa
  • Baker Island
  • Guam
  • Howland Island
  • Jarvis Island
  • Johnston Atoll
  • Kingman Reef
  • Midway Islands
  • Navassa Island
  • Northern Mariana Islands
  • Palmyra Atoll
  • Puerto Rico
  • Virgin Islands
  • Wake Island
:rolleyes:

 
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