- Dec 15, 2015
It seems as though I am getting a lot of personal messages as why not to move here, maybe I should listen...
If you are looking for motivational feedback on your move ... then you have come to the wrong forumIt seems as though I am getting a lot of personal messages as why not to move here, maybe I should listen...
Two comments on the above:
1. Landlines can indeed call cell phones - I have a landline in my apartment and call cellphones all the time. The only caveat is that the owner of the line has to allow for the landline to call cellphones. In a temporary apartment, the owner most likely simply has this disabled because there is an extra cost. Even in a long-term lease, the owner may have a landline already installed which they will probably want the renter to use, and may come by default blocked to call cellphones.
2. Bank accounts have always been difficult to get here and now is even more difficult (I don't know how much, or if, it will change now with Macri). You're right that you need a utility bill in your name, but it doesn't stop there. The biggest thing (and this has always been the case) is residency (though successfully applying for residency gives you a precaria, which you can use) . I don't know if the law actually requires residency (it didn't use to) but it has always been required by every bank at which we ever tried to open an account. In addition, nowadays you have to have proof of local income via income receipts or tax payment records. This latter part may change with Macri in office, but I don't know. Also, now thanks to our wonderful US government, US citizens (even people who are dual citizens here and there) have to comply with FATCA, an additional hurdle that isn't so difficult to overcome necessarily. But definitely don't count on bank accounts here and doing things like wiring money to your bank account here - even if you have an account that's another level of complication,just to get money into the account from the outside.
A couple of comments of my own about living here:
Be discouraged if you are thinking that everything will be nice and neat, cheap, easy to do things. Don't be discouraged if you are looking for an adventure in a cool place.
There are many cool things about Argentina but living here for an extended time can be a pain in the ass. Since I moved here in 2006, I started out in love with the place, became a bit disenchanted after my first year when I tried to get out of temporary apartments and integrate a little more with society, and then found myself wishing that my wife (Paraguayan), our family (really, her three younger sisters who are as my daughters) and I had decided to move to Paraguay 5 years ago when my business here went south (the reason I came to begin with). Unfortunately, once you're ensconced in a place and start putting down roots, it gets difficult to pull up those roots for transplant
One of the biggest problems of the last 4 years seems to be going away - getting money here if you are earning from outside the country. The other biggest problem, procuring long-term rentals, is still going to be a big problem and I doubt will go away in the next decade, if ever, because of the laws that protect renters at the expense of the owners' security.
The political climate is more uncertain and often more turbulent than that of the US. It makes for uncertain times. We currently have a pro-business candidate which, if you're on the socialist side of things in your thinking, may seem like a bad thing, but after 12 years (and more specifically, the last 8 years) of living under a fascist/socialist regime, most people here (and I'm not just talking about expats, but Argentinos themselves) who believe strongly in social programs are relieved that the previous administration's policies were not continued with Cristina's chosen candidate, who lost the election.
The more time you live here, often the more you become cynical about the place, at least to an extent. It is heavy in corruption and getting things done, once you are really trying to do more than be a long-term tourist, can be time-consuming, difficult and frustrating and may never be completed. I'm thinking specifically of a refrigerator that I had that I spent more than 4 months trying to get fixed, finally worked for about a week, and then crapped out again. Or something as simple as getting the handle to the elevator door to our apartment fixed (I live in a building with one apartment per floor), which I am not allowed to touch because it's the building's property and responsibility - it doesn't latch and I catch hell from other building occupants at times simply because while sitting there closed the handle moves into the downward position and the door opens (it's an old elevator). The superintendent of our building can't work on it either (not in his job description, apparently) and the guy they've sent out three times now to fix it "can't find anything wrong with it."
A normal question I get asked when an Argentino asks me where I'm from and how long I've lived here - "Why???"
There are some things I like here more than in the States, for sure. As Stargatefix said, I'm not trying to discourage you, but living here long term isn't for the faint of heart when it comes to dealing with everyday issues of money (which seems to be a much lesser issue, as of a couple of days ago), a long term place to live, and particularly finding work here. And especially the latter if you are not a resident and therefore not allowed to work legally - and even if you are a resident, salaries are pitiful for the most part and obviously much more dependent on the value of the peso, inflation, etc.
It isn't going to be like living in Dallas (although me being from Houston, I can see why you'd want to leave ) but it can be rewarding. Just make sure you know what you're getting into before you make things relatively permanent. There are a lot of people I've known personally and a number of people on this forum, who have left because they didn't like the challenge. I know Argentinos (some of whom worked for me here) who did everything they could to leave.
And as I mentioned in another thread - if Cristina returns to power here as the president in 4 years (or 8, or whatever), I am outta here. I won't do another sentence under her administration.
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