The Alternative To Obamacare

[ajoknoblauch]

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[steveinbsas]

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Not only is this an April Fool's joke, so is the administration's claim that seven million million American's have signed up for Obamacare.

Unfortunately, the latter isn't really an April Fool's joke.

It's just another lie (if it includes all the folks who were enrolled in Medicaid)...

...and I wonder how many of the seven million "enrollees" were among the six and a half million Americans who were thrown off their previous policies...or how many of the seven million actually had no insurance prior to "enrolling" in Obamacare.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Not only is this an April Fool's joke, so is the administration's claim that seven million million American's have signed up for Obamacare.

Unfortunately, the latter isn't really an April Fool's joke.

It's just another lie (if it includes all the folks who were enrolled in Medicaid)...

...and I wonder how many of the seven million "enrollees" were among the six and a half million Americans who were thrown off their previous policies...or how many of the seven million actually had no insurance prior to "enrolling" in Obamacare.

So you're not on Issa's subpoena list, then?

 

[scotttswan]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/shouts/2014/03/libertarian-police-department.html

is a much more amusing article.

 

[StevePalermo]

For steveinbsas

I know you hate Obama, so don't watch this if you have high blood pressure. Its an historic speech.

https://www.youtube....h?v=cT1RVzLaGNU

Of course you ignore all those people who had junk insurance policies that now have decent policies that will actually cover them, the people who now get health insurance that were previously denied because of pre-existing conditions, the children under 26 that are now covered by their parents' policies, the people that won't now go bankrupt because of health problems.... Your heroine would be really proud of you.

 

[steveinbsas]

For steveinbsas

I know you hate Obama, so don't watch this if you have high blood pressure. Its an historic speech.

https://www.youtube....h?v=cT1RVzLaGNU

Of course you ignore all those people who had junk insurance policies that now have decent policies that will actually cover them, the people who now get health insurance that were previously denied because of pre-existing conditions, the children under 26 that are now covered by their parents' policies, the people that won't now go bankrupt because of health problems.... Your heroine would be really proud of you.

For StevePalermo..

Yes, the speech was historic, especially in light of the scope of the President's lies.

Here is an excellent analysis of the speech as well as some of the consequences of Obamacare thus far:

http://www.breitbart...amaCare-Presser

Les than one million of the 7.1 million individuals who have "enrolled in Obamacare to date did not previously have insurance. Apparently, the other 39 million uninsured don't seem to feel the need to enroll before the "deadline."

Here are five reasons why Obama's 7.1 million number is meaningless:

http://www.breitbart...-7M-meaningless


And here is a Secretive Obamacare Study (that) Reportedly Reveals ‘Enrollment’ Numbers the White House Doesn’t Want to Talk About

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/01/the-secretive-obamacare-study-that-may-reveal-how-many-previously-uninsured-americans-have-actually-paid-for-a-plan/

PS: I don't hate Obama. I do have contempt, not only for his lies, but also for his actions, particularly those which are outside the limits of the "powers" granted to him by the Constitution.

I also have contempt for his collectivist ideology, because collectivism kills people...and millions of Americans will actually receive less health care over time and die sooner rather than later as a direct result of Obamacare.

According to the collectivist mentality that should be just fine. Why should any individual receive better health care than anyone else? That just isn't fair! And why should anyone live longer than anyone else? That just isn't fair, either, is it?.

 

[Redpossum]

Oh oh oh! a political statement, and of course, I just have to respond, because I haven't got the sense to keep my mouth shut

PS: I don't hate Obama. I do have contempt, not only for his lies, but also for his actions, particularly those which are outside the limits of the "powers" granted to him by the Constitution.

Thus far, we agree

I also have contempt for his collectivist ideology, because collectivism kills people...and millions of Americans will actually receive less health care over time and die sooner rather than later as a direct result of Obamacare.

Now comes the part I'm going to dispute. Obama is not a collectivist, by any stretch of the imagination. He is purely a tool of the corporations, a groveling minion of the ultra-rich magnates. A puppet, una muñequita. If he was a Socialist, we would at least have had a public option, or better yet true universal healthcare. But he didn't even try to negotiate, instead he sold us down the river to the HMO's, and took his thirty pieces of silver. So Obamacare has a mandate, but no realistic protection for the consumer. It is nothing but corporate welfare. And so We The People get bent over the table, again, while our Beloved Leader saunters off to decide who he's going to murder with assassin drones this week.

"Collectivism kills people", you allege. Given the dismal record of so-called collectivist governments thus far, that's not a totally unreasonable opinion for a thinking man to hold. But I must politely insist that the operative phrase here is "so-called". The PRC, the USSR, North Korea, these are the examples that Conservatives like to point out. But none of those were Socialist states. They were/are dictatorships with a thin veneer of Artificial Socialist Flavoring. If you look at Cuba, on the other hand, for all the multtude of problems Cuba has, healthcare there is solid. As evidence of this, check the infant mortality rates of the USA versus Cuba. You will find that Cuba is nearly one full point lower. And infant mortality rates are generally accepted as a good benchmark of healthcare and national health overall. Furthermore, Cuban medical schools churn out doctors and nurses in large numbers for such a small nation. Where the USA sends soldiers to invade countries all around the world, Cuba sends medical teams. (and I'll just whistle right past Cuban involvement in the Namibian civil war, cough cough, blame the South Africans, hey look a squirrel!)

Is Cuba a true Socialist state? Not really, but it is a milestone along the way. And many of Cuba's problems are not the fault of the Cubanos, but rather the effect of relentless economic warfare against the Cuban people by the US government over the last 50+ years.

According to the collectivist mentality that should be just fine. Why should any individual receive better health care than anyone else? That just isn't fair! And why should anyone live longer than anyone else? That just isn't fair, either, is it?.

Oh, that's a tough one. It's true that nobody should have better healthcare than anyone else, but that's not to say we should all be stuck with bad healthcare. Why couldn't it be that we all have equal access to good healthcare?

 

[ajoknoblauch]

For steveinbsas

I know you hate Obama, so don't watch this if you have high blood pressure. Its an historic speech.

https://www.youtube....h?v=cT1RVzLaGNU

Of course you ignore all those people who had junk insurance policies that now have decent policies that will actually cover them, the people who now get health insurance that were previously denied because of pre-existing conditions, the children under 26 that are now covered by their parents' policies, the people that won't now go bankrupt because of health problems.... Your heroine would be really proud of you.

Ayn's fanboys are immune to facts (including that she herself mooched off Medicare and Social Security, http://www.alternet....she_needed_them). steveinbsas, though, would rather die than have guaranteed insurance coverage to pay for his quadruple bypass. In any event, he'd sooner let his estate pay the hospital's exorbitant charges because, after all, they need patients like him to ensure their liquidity.

For all its faults, Obamacare is the first great legislative accomplishment of the new millennium. Given a congressional faction that would rather see the country fail than give credit where credit is due, it could be the last in our lifetime.

 

[Redpossum]

Ayn's fanboys are immune to facts (including that she herself mooched off Medicare and Social Security, http://www.alternet....she_needed_them). steveinbsas, though, would rather die than have guaranteed insurance coverage to pay for his quadruple bypass. In any event, he'd sooner let his estate pay the hospital's exorbitant charges because, after all, they need patients like him to ensure their liquidity.

Oh, come on, jokie. Don't be mean.

Can't we debate this calmly and politely on a basis of facts rather than personal attacks? I know from experience that you're entirely capable of marshaling logical arguments in a rather impressive fashion. And you know that I too descend to the ad hominem at times, in my worse moments, but it's still a bad thing, even when I do it.

Come on, be a bro about it

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Oh, come on, jokie. Don't be mean.

Can't we debate this calmly and politely on a basis of facts rather than personal attacks? I know from experience that you're entirely capable of marshaling logical arguments in a rather impressive fashion. And you know that I too descend to the ad hominem at times, in my worse moments, but it's still a bad thing, even when I do it.

Come on, be a bro about it

I regret to have to say, as I indicated above, that steveninbsas is the one who is factually challenged.