Having lived in Cape Town as well as Pretoria within the last 6 years, I would say that Buenos Aires is a lot closer to Jo-Burg than it is to Cape Town. There are really nice and exclusive neighborhoods in Jo-Burg, but would you want to move there?
Drive 30 minutes and you can have green all you want for the next 4000 km south, 2000 km west, and 2000 km north . Tigre is about 20 minutes in train from Zona Norte and about 50 from Capital and there is plenty of green."steveinbsas" said:My post was not meant to "dis" Buenos Aires, but to answer Lulu's questions in the context of her post, given her stated priorities and desires. I didn't even mention that the "green" lifestyle that she and her husband love is almost non-existent in BA. Yes there are some lovely parks, but Lulu asked if there is more. There really isn't (not in the city).
It's true, no one told Lulu to live in CF, but, base on her second post where she asked about the commute from Recoleta or Belgrano to downtown, I am guessing that's where the job is. Commuting here is not fun..or easy, especially from outside of CF!
I have private health care here and less than half the doctors speak English. Far fewer of the staff do and it can be difficult making appointments. I originally signed up with Omint because they were associated with hospital Brittanico, but it wasn't clost to my apartment and th name doesn't mean the employees speak English. Communication is indeed something to worry about when you or your baby is sick in a foreign country, especially when it come to discussing medication or treatment options. I recently switched to Swiss medical because they are close to where I live.
Lulu and her husband aren't the usual "wannabe expats" who want to move here to live and learn Spanish and the tango...or sit in a sidewalk cafe as the buses scream past. They have been offered a job in a city that they do not know and simply does not compare favorably with where they are now. They don't have the chance to visit and discover this for themselves before accepting or rejecting the offer. Lulu asked for advice and this is what I have to offer.
As I said, I know Rome and Malaga, and I have live in the mountains and at the sea (Park City, Utah, Marina Del Rey, CA, and Sayulita, MX). I visited Buenos Aires for two months in May of 2006 and decided to move here to live. I do not regret that decision. Even with the rising prices, crime, and the lack of mountains and sea, Buenos Aires IS the place for me. Fortunately, I had the chance to take my time to make that decision. My priorities and desires however, were quite different from those of Lulu and her family. After two years of living here, I don't regret the decision in the slightest.
"Dudester" said:Aw man, compare the crime in Jo'burg to BA. Jo'burg crime is just totally out of control. I was in SA for a month in 1984 and even though it's a beautiful country (and of course was much safer in 1984 but that's because...well we know what was going on back then - making no judgements here) what kind of future is there? I always think of going back for another trip with my Girl Friend but the crime stories stop me. Most of my SA friends have left to Australia, Canada, Europe, etc. And I wonder as South Africans where can you now go for holiday (not too far from home, off course there's always Europe,etc but that's not what I mean) Namibia, Mauritius, Victoria Falls.... Zimbabwe is a total mess (wonder how that will end)....
My comparison was not Cape Town to Buenos Aires, which is of course not even close, but to compare something she would know, like Johannesburg to BA. Jo-Burg's population is about 8 million, BA's is about 12. There are horrid shanties, of course, in both cities, and a pretty fair crime rate, but there are also absolutely luxurious neighborhoods with every amenity imaginable. I was last there in 2002. The comparison is not tit for tat, but it is pretty close, especially for someone in South Africa, who knows Jo-Burg. If she wouldn't want to live in Jo-Burg, no matter how luxurious the neighborhood, then I would seriously consider whether or not what she will find in BA will be suitable for what she has in mind. By the way, I lived in Pretoria, 15 miles from Jo-Burg, for 2 years and was never robbed or mugged. I was mugged my second day in Buenos Aires, and burgled at the end of the first week. Although neither has happened again during any visit -- so far. I stand by my recommendation to LuLu that she might find Jo-Burg and BA not all that dissimilar at the core. (Unless one never leaves Belgrano or parts of Palermo, and in that case, you could just as well be in Paris or Madrid.)
You don't mention the length of this contract but that is very important. If it gives you enough time to travel to all the different corners and areas of SA go for it. I mean, you have Brazil which is at least a month right there. Venezuela/Angel Falls - Peru/Ecuador/Galapagos Islands - amazing trips... I can go on and on. BA is a beautiful city but I haven't been there for awhile. If you liked/can handle ROME than you can handle BA. Sounds like New Zealand or Australia is more your cup of tea. Place to live for very "outdoorsy" type people... Dudester, For What it's Worth
PS Of Course BA is Baby Friendly, it's Latin Catholic - need I say more......
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