Any expat having lived in NE Brazil?

and willing to tell his/her experience.

The real has devalued and is almost pegged to the argentine peso, miles of virgin beaches, cheap housing etc excellent food, direct flights to Europe only 6 hours away...many reasons to give it a second thought

Has anybody already visited/lived in?
Fortaleza
Natal
Ponta Negra

Any tip/advice/suggestion/story is welcomed
Thanks
 

RWS

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I've been on Brazilian soil just three times, I think: once in the early 1970s, and twice in this century, and each time in a city. My impressions are of a hot, friendly, overcrowded land, cheap but dangerous.

I'd gladly read of well-informed contrary views.
 

Dudester

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I have to agree with RWS and his use of the word "Dangerous". I've been all over Brazil on numerous trips and man, do you have to keep your eyes and ears open. Luckily I always made it out in one piece but did meet so many people there that had had things stolen from them - video camera taken during a "grab and run" by street kids on the beach in Rio, a knife pulled on a friend in front of his hotel in Rio, Purse stolen in Salvador de Bahia by some kids doing a "grab and run" to a middle aged woman, it goes on and on. Rio and Sao Paulo are probably the worst. Brazil has a high rate of gun use in their crimes, almost as high as the USA.

Now NE and SE Brazil might be a bit calmer because there's less International tourism in those areas but I would do A LOT of research. That area (NE) is the big hot spot right now, I notice "INTERNATIONAL LIVING" is really pushing it also. Brazil's a very beautiful, friendly, and interesting country but this crime thing is one BIG drawback for me - I can already get the "Criminal Experience" in the USA, no need to travel anywhere. So, in closing. IMO a great place to VISIT and Photograph but don't think I could live there for more than a month or so is basically what I'm saying. Dudester
 

Stanexpat

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Take a look at Punta Del Este and the surrounding areas in Uruguay. Much better beaches than Argentina and much nicer. Also low crime and much less corruption than either Brazil or Argentina. Personally, by far the best place I've been in S.A. There are also a lot of nice beach areas with little development in Peru and Ecuador on the west coast of S.A. as well.
 

Moxon

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I cycled the Brazilian coast starting in Fortaleza several years ago. Ceara is a wonderful place, I was fascinated by the landscapes and small towns of the sertão, the semi arid geographical region just a little inland from the coast, and I really enjoyed the week or so I spent in Fortaleza (despite the fact that this coincided with a tropical deluge.)

The murder and crime rates in Brazil are spectacular but warrant a caveat - a more detailed inspection will reveal that the violence is concentrated in the favelas of the big cities and to lawless frontier towns in the interior where minerals or dodgy land acquisitions draw many trying to get rich quick. In Rio and Sao Paulo gang crime can spill over into established neighbourhoods thus resulting in the international headlines but the vast majority of victims are from the favelas simply because of opportunism and vulnerability. Recife consistently has a much higher homicide rate than the two more infamous cities to the south but gets almost no headlines as the violence is almost entirely contained to the poor of the favelas and rarely interferes with anyone's vacation. I rode through Recife completely unaware of this statistic and didn’t feel the slightest bit intimidated. In fact the only time I felt worried at all was when cycling through favelas on the outskirts of Salvador, Sao Paulo and Rio - I can't say I really felt unsafe once inside the cities themselves.

Most of the homicide victims are killed in gang violence or by police when the turf wars escalate to a point that they can no longer ignore the lawlessness and go in guns a blazing. In recent years the murder rates of the big cities have actually declined and are lower than some US cities - its only when the statistics are isolated to certain neighbourhoods that they are up there with South African, Colombian or Russian cities. The declines are being put down to better policing (ie they aren't killing as many people indiscriminately), earlier closure of bars, and a cessation of some long running turf wars which had contributed to large proportions of the homicides.

Fortaleza and Natal, however, are completely different propositions to what has been spoken about above and while the locals will warn you about the favelas they are nothing like those in the cities previously mentioned in terms of gang crime, gun ownership, drug saturation or police brutality. This was about 5 years ago and the situation may be changing slowly due to increasing wealth disparities and more disenfranchised migrants form the sertão, but don't let this put you off, Fortaleza and Natal are worlds away from the violent image of Brazilian cities perpetuated in the media. I would thoroughly recommend at least a visit - its a fantastic part of the world and the people are beautiful.

PS - If you would like any info on lesser known places along the coast in the north east, PM me.
 
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