Argentina’s Senate approves transgender job quota law

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antipodean

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This is really some good news for a change. So glad you posted this.
Inclusivity is something for any society to be proud of. This group of people is by far the most marginalized in the formal job market and if not society as a whole, many of whom get a really rough deal on life. Above all, it is reassuring to see it received near-unanimous support across the board showing some of the best virtues of Argentina - high degrees of social tolerance and personal freedom. Now let's just hope it translates into action and social acceptance from private citizens and businesses to change some people's lives for the better.
 
I have to RESPECTFULLY disagree with the article, the law and your opinions. Here is why:

I will preface my post by stating that I believe we are all equals and should be no better or less equal than anyone else. I don't care about color, race, gender or handicap. ALL THE SAME. No one is anymore or less important than another.

Having said that, I'll move on to this:

Quotas are bad. Taking the Noah's Arc approach is bad. Forced diversity is bad. ALL BAD!

I offer this: (And a bit more.)

Professional sport. Team or individual, is about winning, being the best. In order to do that, it is, or at least it is portrayed as being a competitive process where only the best performers are selected for the sport or team. It goes with entertainment as well. Acting, music, art etc ...

No one in their right mind would exclude a Messi from the team because there was not enough diversity on the team. And even if he was selected first, he still needs talent around him to do well and succeed. And the talent is selected based upon who is best.

I see and I am sure you may as well, that overweight or frail fireman / policeman etc. It doesn't matter what their background is, they simply should not be in a job where not being very fit can compromise their well being / safety and that of their co workers or people they need to serve.

If I were in a burning building and needed to be rescued or perhaps I needed emergency medical treatment, or something similar, I would want the very best person helping me. I wouldn't care what their background was, simply that they were capable and could give me the best possible chance of living to see another day.

Without going to far, business is another example. I want the best talent, not a requirement for a diverse workforce.

I believe quotas make it so many more capable people get passed by.

And it is a problem looking at it all from the other point of view. EVERYONE needs the same opportunity, but at the expense of quotas? No way!

The real problem is making the selection process fair and equal. I believe this is what needs to be addressed and I have absolutely no clue how that would be done. But quotas are not the answer.

Well, I will stop there. I appreciate the opportunity be heard and I am not trying to offend anyone. I just think there is a better solution to this real problem.

I wish everyone to realize their potential in life.
 

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Sencillamente yo ,

i get your point of view. And the dilemma of the end consumer

i don”t know you but i can guess, you never led a life or lived in a city/ country or faced a dogma in a social strata where you were extremely discriminated for your color or religion or gender or for your surname.
You can not envisage the trials and tribulations of such a life, for sure.

Its not the ideal solution. But at times, this is the only solution when certain people face extreme discrimination.

You will only and only back off from this point of view, when you or your near/ dear faces the wrath of the society / police/ justice system etc for no fault except a social bias.
 
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antipodean

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The problem is that someone needs to make the first move because the proof shows it just ain't happening by itself.

This is a group of people where 90% are outside of the formal job market and 70-95% are in a situation of extreme vulnerability including needing to rely on prostitution to survive. This is a group of people with an average life expectancy of 36 - and its 2021, not 1991.

Trans people are some of the least understood people there are. The vast majority of employers simply don't want people who "look like that" because they think their customers don't to be served by people who "look like that".

Then perhaps worse of all are those who "innocently" assume people from this group simply lack the skill or talent or are incapable of acquiring it like anyone else. This is called a glass ceiling. Likewise are arguments that make out such a quota is going to affect highly specialised jobs and thus more trouble than it is worth remotely relevant to what is actually happening or the contents of the bill.

The more trans people society starts to see doing "normal" things other than prostitution, the more acceptance they will get from society and the less fear businesses will have in hiring them which will, over time, even the playing field so that quotas are simply not required.

The best thing about this bill is that it is integral and includes components of training and upskilling people to be able to compete in the job market with the exact same capabilities and skills as any other groups. And lets be realistic, there are a multitude of jobs especially in the public sector of Argentina that don't require a PhD or advanced paramedic course and literally anyone is capable of doing. Just think how many different office workers you have to deal with to get an email to print out at home showing your antecedentes penales at an RNR...

It is also worth noting that the quota is only applicable to the public sector (jobs serving the society it consists of and paid for by the society it represents and serves) The private sector on the other-hand simply receive incentives such as tax breaks for doing their part towards inclusion, if business owners or decision makers actually have the balls to go beyond words and actually do so.
 
Sencillamente yo ,

i get your point of view. And the dilemma of the end consumer

i don”t know you but i can guess, you never led a life or lived in a city/ country or faced a dogma in a social strata where you were extremely discriminated for your color or religion or gender or for your surname.
You can not envisage the trials and tribulations of such a life, for sure.

Its not the ideal solution. But at times, this is the only solution when certain people face extreme discrimination.

You will only and only back off from this point of view, when you or your near/ dear faces the wrath of the society / police/ justice system etc for no fault except a social bias.
I made my post trying to be as objective as I could be. I considered what the purpose of doing good and success was, is and should be. I used what already exists, as a guide to formulate an opinion on what has just been proposed and passed. Then I considered what people want and expect.

Here is an example of one of my thoughts:

On this service, there are dozens of examples of posters that are frustrated and unhappy with The inefficiencies of the Argentine government, what it provides and how it functions. The vast majority of everyone here, feels and observes the dysfunctional system that exist. Then a poster will encourage the person here who is trying to get something done, to try again, in the hope of getting a person (government worker) who knows what to do and can get a result for the person needing the result. (I am not sure that is so clear of a thought, but here it is another way >>>

A problem with a DNI or something to do with permanent residency or citizenship etc ... There are countless examples of people here who can't get the simplest thing done in Argentina. It is part due to the system and part due to the federal employee. Then later in the process, something good happens, because the poster was persistent and kept trying until they got "THE RIGHT PERSON' who helped them. Usually this right person is skilled, conscientious etc ... Your run of the mill "quotaed' person may or may not be capable of doing the job.

I and most everyone here, want results. Only the best and brightest or most talented should get the position, the job or the spot. There is no argument anyone here can make that would successfully refute this point I am trying to make.

Does anyone want to be served by a quota employee who is not as competent as the person with superior talent? The person who may have been passed by, because of some system that required a job or position be handed out based upon something other than ability and talent.

NOPE!

And it doesn't matter if I have had it easy or hard in life. I can see nothing but objectively on this.

Could you imagine if Boca or River assembled a team with quotas in place? Fans would be quite angry.

Well, citizens and permanent residents suffer enough already, it will only get worse.

To reiterate my earlier point - If I am in need of emergency care, I WANT THE BEST and BRIGHTEST to provide it to me. Not someone who happened to make it to the position because of a quota needing to be filled.
 
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The problem is that someone needs to make the first move because the proof shows it just ain't happening by itself.

This is a group of people where 90% are outside of the formal job market and 70-95% are in a situation of extreme vulnerability including needing to rely on prostitution to survive. This is a group of people with an average life expectancy of 36 - and its 2021, not 1991.

Trans people are some of the least understood people there are. The vast majority of employers simply don't want people who "look like that" because they think their customers don't to be served by people who "look like that".

Then perhaps worse of all are those who "innocently" assume people from this group simply lack the skill or talent or are incapable of acquiring it like anyone else. This is called a glass ceiling. Likewise are arguments that make out such a quota is going to affect highly specialised jobs and thus more trouble than it is worth remotely relevant to what is actually happening or the contents of the bill.

The more trans people society starts to see doing "normal" things other than prostitution, the more acceptance they will get from society and the less fear businesses will have in hiring them which will, over time, even the playing field so that quotas are simply not required.

The best thing about this bill is that it is integral and includes components of training and upskilling people to be able to compete in the job market with the exact same capabilities and skills as any other groups. And lets be realistic, there are a multitude of jobs especially in the public sector of Argentina that don't require a PhD or advanced paramedic course and literally anyone is capable of doing. Just think how many different office workers you have to deal with to get an email to print out at home showing your antecedentes penales at an RNR...

It is also worth noting that the quota is only applicable to the public sector (jobs serving the society it consists of and paid for by the society it represents and serves) The private sector on the other-hand simply receive incentives such as tax breaks for doing their part towards inclusion, if business owners or decision makers actually have the balls to go beyond words and actually do so.
I could care less what lifestyle a person selects for them self.

I only care about the best people occupying a position.
 
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