Be cautious and aware..

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xohmyx said:
Hello,
As an australian i kind of feel the need to step in here for my country and just kind of defend its honor just a tad.

Firstly Ivan Milat was a proper A-Grade psycho weirdo-nutjob!!! that bloke was off the friggin chain!! he was completely insane and crazy however Not everyone in australia is like that so please do not let the one psycho nutjob tarnish the entire reputation of the country.

Its not like the moment a visitor steps foot in australia the chances of them being kidnapped/murdered within a day rises 100%! That was a freak inccident and australia is actually a very SAFE country, millions of people come here because its such a great place to be and the crime rate for what its worth is rather low.

I mean like any country yeah sure we have issues and its probably definetly best not to wander the outback by yourself and its always a bad idea to hitchike with strangers, but you make it sound like a rather horrible place and its really not, its quite awesome prehaps you should visit one day and see for yourself! :)

I am sorry if you took offense to my post but I am Australian and know the reality of living there so please do not call it a very SAFE country when it is not . Do you remember the Hoddle Street Massacre, Queen Street Massacre, Strathfield Massacre, Bundaberg massacre and the most notorious of all the Port Arthur Massacre which claimed nearly 40 lives. I actually remember the Strathfield Masscre as my family live in this beautiful neighbourhood and it destroyed the community for many years .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strathfield_massacre


There are more violent incidents resulting in death per capita in Australia against tourists than in Argentina .

Your above post does not reflect the truth and deaths by visitors to Argentina is amongst the lowest in the world .

In Australia there have been numerous cases of backpackers being killed from horrible incidents including all states from Bundaberg Queesland to Port Arthur Tasmania and unfortunately many of the victims were tourists.

This article was from the Guardian 2003

Spectacular headlines such as Britons who see Australia and die, do little to encourage tourism. This article quoted official Australian figures and explained that nearly 400 tourists a year (0.01%) die visiting Australia. While most of the deaths are attributed to accidents and health-related issues, the article stated that during the review period, 22 persons died from an unlawful assault or, in other words, were murdered (Guardian 2003). The report mentioned the murder of Peter Falconio and the Childers backpackers fire that claimed 15 lives, but did not clarify that one incident claimed almost 70 percent of the victims of unlawful killings.
In 2004, the British press reporting the trial of murdered British backpacker Caroline Stuttle drew links to another unrelated incident which took the lives of seven British tourists two years earlier. Although the cases were unrelated, were two years apart, and some one million tourists had visited Australia unharmed in the meantime, the British media nonetheless chose to draw a tenuous geographical link to the two incidents (Fickling 2004): ‘Bundaburg is 30 miles east of Childers, where an itinerant fruit picker, Robert Long, killed 15 people, including seven Britons…in 2000’.

Argentinas rate of serious crimes that result in deaths of tourists is amongst the lowest of the world and is lower per capita than the USA, Australia, and most countries of South America. This is a fact as per statistics .

Argentinas crime rate including robberies are 5 times higher than Australia .
 
Lucas said:
This is very true not only in Argentina but anywhere were a young female backpacker is unaccompanied in a desolated area you must be aware of the consequences of your actions, be this in a first, third or fourth rated world country, even if you are with a companion it could be dangerous in a isolated area....it's common sense really.

See Ivan Milat, frighten stuff....

While I do not believe you are knowingly blaming the victim here, your choice of words leaves the impression that what happened to her was an understandable outcome of her own actions.


Your later post clarified your intent, and I agree with you that it is important to remain aware of your surroundings. Also, that this type of problem is all too common world wide and the actual rates of violent crime may actually be higher in many other countries.
 
I've watched way too many serial killer crime shows to go into the woods or hiking alone. :eek:

I hope the girl makes a full recovery - at least she has her life which is more than the poor girls in Salta. Occasionally these types of crimes happen... they're horrendous but I wouldn't say they're rampant, especially against tourists. I'd be much more concerned about muggings.

And I seem to remember a story some time ago about an American woman who was living in Buenos Aires and murdered at her house, but I think it was some type of domestic dispute or perhaps a robbery.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/603283-era-ex-policia-la-norteamericana-que-aparecio-muerta-en-beccar
It happens... but it happens everywhere. Just this year 2 British tourists were killed in Florida.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13144308


Still, the original thread title is right! Always be aware of your surroundings and be careful. :)
 
In other words...as a tourist here...you're not as likely to be murdered..but you're 10,000 million times more likely to be robbed one way or the other.
 
Its highly ironic that there is little travel advice for the horrific road toll that Argentina has that leaves 10,000 deaths per annum . This is a national disgrace and still today there is little change in these figures. Why is not more manpower and police controls especially in the mornings when drunk and drugged drivers are common . For me this is what people should get angry about and demand that their governments do more

Statistically you have 100 times more chance of being killed in a car accident than killed by a stranger in Argentina.

I take precautions in cars and do not drive in the Provinces unless absolutely necessary. Long journeys I completely avoid and fly instead . This is called taking a calculated risk .
 
Down and Out in BB said:
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Right, a brutal rape has nothing to do with "criminality", just the victim's lack of common sense. She was probably wearing sexy hiking clothes too, just asking for it.

There really is a culture of blaming the victim on this board and it gets kind of tiresome.

She wasn't raped...as has been reported in the beginning and besides none is blaming her as you're suggesting get your facts right instead of blaming and accusing members of this board.
 
xohmyx said:
Hello,
As an australian i kind of feel the need to step in here for my country and just kind of defend its honor just a tad.

Firstly Ivan Milat was a proper A-Grade psycho weirdo-nutjob!!! that bloke was off the friggin chain!! he was completely insane and crazy however Not everyone in australia is like that so please do not let the one psycho nutjob tarnish the entire reputation of the country.

Its not like the moment a visitor steps foot in australia the chances of them being kidnapped/murdered within a day rises 100%! That was a freak inccident and australia is actually a very SAFE country, millions of people come here because its such a great place to be and the crime rate for what its worth is rather low.

I mean like any country yeah sure we have issues and its probably definetly best not to wander the outback by yourself and its always a bad idea to hitchike with strangers, but you make it sound like a rather horrible place and its really not, its quite awesome prehaps you should visit one day and see for yourself! :)

It's a lovely country indeed, and isn't a reflection of this horrible character, but the point is that it doesn't matter if this kind of crimes happen in the US, Australia, Europe, Asia or South America, the point here is that when you travel alone and in a desolated place you must be extremely careful taking all the precautions at your disposition in order to avoid getting in a similar situation as this did, none is blaming her of her ordeal and thanks God she wasn't sexually assaulted but this attack could and may be avoided with a little more planing and common sense, that is the aim of this post.

Remember the Falconio case and that English girl in the outback?, someone made a film based on this case afterwards and it was titled 'Wolf Creek' a very disturbing case (Trailer) based in true events and similar circumstances but in this case the girl wasn't alone and she survived, unfortunately not her boyfriend, still they were in a desolate place in the middle of nowhere miles from civilization and that alone should be ringing a double warning to anyone contemplating such a trip, if you're alone or even accompanied still not enough, with an experienced group it should be safe.
 
There are plenty of rape/assault/robbery, etc. victims who are aware of their surroundings and take every precaution. A lot of times IT IS JUST NOT ENOUGH. This is a popular tourist hiking spot, in a country where it has historically been quite safe to travel in the interior. Are women just not supposed to travel?? Must we always be in groups? I went to Mendoza all by my damned self because I was sick of speaking more English in BA than I did back in the U.S. It was a great trip and I had an amazing experience. But based on some of these comments I was really asking for it, I guess. This victim blaming is such bullshit.
 
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