Catholic Church Drafts Bill Offering Cash Incentive To Prevent Abortion

[JoeBlow]

It is almost unbelieveable this proposal. As usual, (some) members of the church are trying their best to keep humanity tied to beliefs espoused in what must be the best-selling novel of all-time.

http://www.argentinaindependent.com...-offering-cash-incentive-to-prevent-abortion/

 

[BednBreakfast]

I don't find it unbelievable. Depends what you believe in...

 

[nicoenarg]

It is almost unbelieveable this proposal. As usual, (some) members of the church are trying their best to keep humanity tied to beliefs espoused in what must be the best-selling novel of all-time.

http://www.argentinaindependent.com...-offering-cash-incentive-to-prevent-abortion/

I'm not a Catholic but I'm assuming Catholicism is against abortion. I don't know what your beef with that stance is but I think everyone is entitled to, at least, their opinions and beliefs.

Now, again I am assuming this but, it seems to me that some women go through abortion because they can't afford to have babies. In that, they just don't have the means to go through the whole process of their pregnancy and then have no means whatsoever to bring up a child.

Keeping that in mind, if the Catholic church or any other organization provides funds so that women don't need to worry about finances when considering these decisions, what's so unbelievable or wrong about that?

If a woman freely chooses to take money from the church and not go through abortion, why is it your assumption that that should only mean they are blind and not open to the "truth" that you seem to espouse?

There are perhaps countless things that the Catholic church does that are beyond stupid (kind of like atheists, or mormons, or muslims, or what have you), this, I'm afraid, is not one of those things.

Unless they're "making an offer those women can't refuse..."? AKA Threatening to murder them if they don't comply with their beliefs.

 

[scotttswan]

In rural places where the church is still the centre of the community they are VERY powerful.

Things like this http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1883598,00.html fills me with so much rage!

Additional pressure from the church in what would be an already difficult decision should not be allowed.

I also seriously doubt the catholic church are offering enough money to feed and clothe a child for 18 years... Does the world really need another unwanted child who's mother will probably resent for its whole life?

Maybe Rick Santorum is right and rape victims should 'make the best of a bad situation' if they get pregnant and give birth to the 'gift from God' or maybe women should be allowed to do what they think is right in their situation without having to endanger their life and spend a fortune in a back alley operating theatre.

 

[nicoenarg]

In rural places where the church is still the centre of the community they are VERY powerful.

Things like this http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1883598,00.html fills me with so much rage!

Additional pressure from the church in what would be an already difficult decision should not be allowed.

I also seriously doubt the catholic church are offering enough money to feed and clothe a child for 18 years... Does the world really need another unwanted child who's mother will probably resent for its whole life?

Maybe Rick Santorum is right and rape victims should 'make the best of a bad situation' if they get pregnant and give birth to the 'gift from God' or maybe women should be allowed to do what they think is right in their situation without having to endanger their life and spend a fortune in a back alley operating theatre.

First off, anyone that tells women (or anyone else for that matter) what to do when they've been raped or have gone through something horrible is a retarded asshole. Now that we have that out the way...

If it is as you say, that the Catholic church is very powerful (and I'm not arguing your point there), it doesn't matter whether they offer money or not, they will be able to put pressure on women to not go through with their abortions. Whether it is the law now that women can or not doesn't matter in that context. If the church is powerful enough to influence people, they don't need money for it.

Before this gets taken out of context further, I'm not making a stance either pro life or pro choice (or whatever terminology politicians and lobbyists have come up with now), all I'm saying is that if the only reason a woman wants to abort her baby is because she does not have enough money to support the baby, well then this cash incentive from the church is a good thing. And I'm taking it on face value since we don't know how much money the church is planning on giving the woman and her baby (for 18 years), I can't say whether it will be enough or not.

For now, this seems like criticizing the Catholics for the sake of criticizing them.

And just because Catholics in Brazil acted like idiots doesn't mean Catholics of Argentina are going to do exactly the same (I don't know if they've acted along the same lines before and frankly, for this discussion, it doesn't matter).

We'll have to wait and see what happens but for now, ganging up on Catholics doesn't seem warranted.

 

[scotttswan]

And just because Catholics in Brazil acted like idiots doesn't mean Catholics of Argentina are going to do exactly the same (I don't know if they've acted along the same lines before and frankly, for this discussion, it doesn't matter).

Although the Vatican supported them.

 

[sergio]

The constitution of Argentina "sustains" the Roman Catholic faith, making the Church the quasi official religion. The overwhelming majority of Argentines are Roman Catholic, so the Catholic Church is deeply tied, historically and culturally to the Argentine people and society. This is a reality that expats need to keep in mind if they choose to live in Argentina.

I don't see how the Catholic Church is forcing any woman to accept help from the Church in raising a child. How is this different from accepting free medical care (in the case of rape) to have an abortion? It is the woman's choice. She can accept or reject the offer.

The Catholic Church is opposed to abortion as it is the taking of a human life and all life is considered sacred. For the same reason the Church opposes the death penalty and in countries like the United States where it still exists the bishops are among the most vocal and assertive in calling attention to this violation of human rights.