Chile, A Success Story, Hiring Foreign Professionals ...!!!

[ajoknoblauch]

Back to Chile:
http://www.reuters.c...ketsNews&rpc=43

If Piñera had the good sense to follow Cristina's model, Chilean unemployment would undoubtedly be zero, and wages would rise to the stratosphere, with zero inflation.

 

[Jaredberryman]

Quite accurate plus ad a portion of envy and jealousy on the Argentinean side because this annoying Chile FLY gets so much praise internationally and is acclaimed as a the Model to follow. Its like a hot Chile up their asses...!!

Yes, it's true that many, but not all, Argentines, do not like to hear that things might be going well for Chile. However, to be fair to Argentines, I think they are so often stigmatized in Latin America as being arrogant, and what I found out, after living in many places in Latin America, is that Argentines are no more or less arrogant or nationalistic than any other group in Latin America. When I lived in Mexico, once I was sitting at a restaurant with a friend from New Zealand, and two US friends, and a Mexican. The Mexican told us flatly, "Mexico is the greatest country in the world." I have pretty much gotten that most places I have lived.

However, Argentines will never say that. They might say, we have great women, great food, great wine, and the best soccer, but they'll mostly just complain about the rest. And the arrogance? Sometimes that's just the fact that Argentines and Portenos are very confrontational as opposed to other Latin American countries/cultures, where there isn't much confrontation and it is considered impolite. So often people from Argentina get classified as arrogant just because they will stick up for themselves and push people to change their behavior.

Chile though? I must say (with all due respect to the Chileans that are on this forum), that nearly every Chilean I have ever met (and I do not have a huge sample size) is unbelievably nationalistic and also arrogant to boot. They were nice people, and I consider them my friends, true. But man, how annoying can it be to listen to someone talk about how great their country is for two hours? So I actually think some of the things that Argentines say about Chileans are somewhat true, based on my experience. Chilean men are also much more machista, which is something that personally, really grates my nerves. So I respect Chile and am glad their country is doing better, but something tells me I would not enjoy the people there as much as the people in Argentina.

My experience has also been that a host of things that other people in Latin America say about Argentina are complete hogwash. Some of it can be true, but a lot of it is complete crap.

 

[camberiu]

My experience has also been that a host of things that other people in Latin America say about Argentina are complete hogwash. Some of it can be true, but a lot of it is complete crap.

It would be an interesting research project to find out why this "hogwash" is so unanimous, from Chile all the way to Mexico. In Colombia for example, calling someone an "Argentinian" is actually an insult. In Bogota I saw two Colombians arguing on the street and one got so mad at the other at one point that he said: "Usted es un argentino. Un hijo de puta."

I wonder what the Argentinians could have done to earn such a unanimous bad rep (without equal) across the entire continent.

 

[Rich One]

It would be an interesting research project to find out why this "hogwash" is so unanimous, from Chile all the way to Mexico. In Colombia for example, calling someone an "Argentinian" is actually an insult. In Bogota I saw two Colombians arguing on the street and one got so mad at the other at one point that he said: "Usted es un argentino. Un hijo de puta."

I wonder what the Argentinians could have done to earn such a unanimous bad rep (without equal) across the entire continent.

Somehow is very distressing how some people, not you, use the terms, making it impossible to exchange ideas...!
Like saying "Not All Chileans or Argentineans do this or that"...!!

Can't think of a trait that would apply to ALL citizens of any given country....!!

 

[Yogur griego]

In Bogota I saw two Colombians arguing on the street and one got so mad at the other at one point that he said: "Usted es un argentino. Un hijo de puta."

This made me laugh out loud. And completely new to me. I know from experience what stereotypes about Argentines in other countries on the continent are like.

I have never been able to mention something positive about Argentina in discussions with Chileans (and Spaniards too), they just completely ignore what I am trying to point at and just rattle on about how beautiful the girls in Valparaiso are or something.

I agree about the nationalism thing mentioned in one of the posts. I do not find Argentines nationalistic at all. I'd go even further than that, from conversations sometimes it seems to me that in case somebody invents a time machine, hordes of Argentines would go back to prevent their anchestors from boarding the ship.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

This made me laugh out loud. And completely new to me. I know from experience what stereotypes about Argentines in other countries on the continent are like.

I have never been able to mention something positive about Argentina in discussions with Chileans (and Spaniards too), they just completely ignore what I am trying to point at and just rattle on about how beautiful the girls in Valparaiso are or something.

I agree about the nationalism thing mentioned in one of the posts. I do not find Argentines nationalistic at all. I'd go even further than that, from conversations sometimes it seems to me that in case somebody invents a time machine, hordes of Argentines would go back to prevent their anchestors from boarding the ship.

I find many, if not most, Argentines highly nationalistic. That said, I would never say something like "Argentines are bad drivers." Instead, I would say "There are many aggressive drivers in Argentina."

 

[Jaredberryman]

It would be an interesting research project to find out why this "hogwash" is so unanimous, from Chile all the way to Mexico. In Colombia for example, calling someone an "Argentinian" is actually an insult. In Bogota I saw two Colombians arguing on the street and one got so mad at the other at one point that he said: "Usted es un argentino. Un hijo de puta."

I wonder what the Argentinians could have done to earn such a unanimous bad rep (without equal) across the entire continent.

Argentines also have a reputation for being dishonest. Unfortunately, that part is true for quite a few people in Argentina. The thing is, it's really like that in most other countries in Latin America. Lots of people from other cultures in Latin America have never even met an Argentine. It's kind of like the stigma that Mexicans have in the US of being lazy. When I lived in Mexico, I found out this was also complete hogwash. I saw that most Mexicans I knew worked their butts off. In fact, that was the norm, and not the exception. Or another example. If you go to an inner city ghetto in Atlanta, you'll find little black boys and girls that are taught that all white people have a secret plot together to oppress and destroy black people (I'm not joking!). It's just a stereotype, that in fact is not even a valid stereotype, in all three cases.

 

[Jaredberryman]

I find many, if not most, Argentines highly nationalistic. That said, I would never say something like "Argentines are bad drivers." Instead, I would say "There are many aggressive drivers in Argentina."

I completely disagree. I think that in comparison to other countries, Argentines are less nationalistic. They have a love hate relationship with their country. I am from the US, and I think we are far more nationalistic. How many times do you hear people in Argentina say, "Somos un pais bananero" (Our country is a joke!). I have heard that a lot lately from friends. Yes, there are plenty of nationalistic people. But many people in this country are only a few generations removed from Europe. They do not feel tied strongly to this country. Many people leave. Every country has a large contingent of nationalistic people--this country is no different. But I'd say they have far less than a lot of others in the region.

 

[camberiu]

I. How many times do you hear people in Argentina say, "Somos un pais bananero" (Our country is a joke!). I have heard that a lot lately from friends. Yes, there are plenty of nationalistic people.

I don't think what they say to each other is the same they say to other people in Latin America. When they say those things, They are usually comparing Argentina with France, UK or Germany. I'll be dammed if I ever heard an Argentinean say that when comparing their country to Chile, for example.

 

[Yogur griego]

They are usually comparing Argentina with France, UK or Germany. I'll be dammed if I ever heard an Argentinean say that when comparing their country to Chile, for example.

They really have some kind of Historical Immigration Inferiority Complex.