China Loan Argentina 7.5 Billion

[ajoknoblauch]

Perhaps in the future graduate students will go to China for post-graduates studies instead of USA B)

Though the Chinese continue coming to the US.

 

[garryl]

This is already happening somehow, but for the Argen-Chinese community only. and the Argentinean children of Chinese parents are obligated to study in China. I know people from Taiwan, and Japan who have returned to their countries for a post-grade and came back to Argentina; I heard cases like these but for China too. The post-graduate degrees are not common in China, but studying 2 or 3 years for Argentineans having Chinese parents is required by the Chinese government, and toddlers are sent to China for a few years. The IQ world can change depending of the level of education, China/Japan/Korea/etc. are in the top list of countries with best education in the world. I guess very bad things happen there, but in terms of education, it is a very strict education, and discipline is super high, if this is how the world should behave is other story, but in terms of education China already exceeded the expectations of the education.

Studying Chinese is in my plans, at least I will learn the most basic words. I have been learning some words by my own with some results, it is not as complex as it looks. I am not super smart for learning a new language, I do not have the absolute ear, time, or discipline, so then, to be realistic I will just learn a few words. By the moment I have other plans in the agenda (like improving my English skills). At first I just considered it as something not important, but now it is becoming a need. The most difficult part seems to be the 5 accents they use for each vowel, this is hard to detect.

It's the 4 tones, not 5. The grammar is super easy and it's quite easy to speak it.

 

[sleslie23]

It's the 4 tones, not 5. The grammar is super easy and it's quite easy to speak it.

Mandarin has 4 tones, plus one neutral tone (no tone). Cantonese has 6 tones.

Chinese is considered one of the hardest languages to learn, primarily due to the writing system. It is not for the faint of heart. I studied Mandarin in BsAs for several years and was able to master around 500 characters. To read a newspaper you need 3000-5000.

I always laugh when I hear people say that Chinese will replace English as the world language:

1) Chinese is just too difficult to learn. The writing system is hard even for native speakers to master.
2) The Chinese learn English for business, technology, etc.

 

[Rich One]

Mandarin has 4 tones, plus one neutral tone (no tone). Cantonese has 6 tones.

Chinese is considered one of the hardest languages to learn, primarily due to the writing system. It is not for the faint of heart. I studied Mandarin in BsAs for several years and was able to master around 500 characters. To read a newspaper you need 3000-5000.

I always laugh when I hear people say that Chinese will replace English as the world language:

1) Chinese is just too difficult to learn. The writing system is hard even for native speakers to master.
2) The Chinese learn English for business, technology, etc.

Question? I see the Chino at the market sending SMS in chinese? the cell has 3000 characters?? to use.

 

[sleslie23]

Question? I see the Chino at the market sending SMS in chinese? the cell has 3000 characters?? to use.

It depends on the character encoding the phone supports. I don't know much about cell phones, but smartphones like the iPhone can easily enter Chinese, Arabic, Hindi, Russian, etc.

On iPhone, there are multiple ways of entering Chinese characters. The most common is to enter the character phonetically (using a modified latin alphabet called pinyin). So if you want to type the character "bù" you just type in "b" and "u."Tthe problem is there are also 4 other tones that correspond to bu and potentially dozens of characters that correspond to everything with "bu." The iPhone presents a submenu that enables you to select the character you want. My guess is that other cellphones function in a similar manner.

 

[Rich One]

It depends on the character encoding the phone supports. I don't know much about cell phones, but smartphones like the iPhone can easily enter Chinese, Arabic, Hindi, Russian, etc.

On iPhone, there are multiple ways of entering Chinese characters. The most common is to enter the character phonetically (using a modified latin alphabet called pinyin). So if you want to type the character "bù" you just type in "b" and "u."Tthe problem is there are also 4 other tones that correspond to bu and potentially dozens of characters that correspond to everything with "bu." The iPhone presents a submenu that enables you to select the character you want. My guess is that other cellphones function in a similar manner.

Thanks a Lot

 

[garryl]

Question? I see the Chino at the market sending SMS in chinese? the cell has 3000 characters?? to use.

It has all the characters in the smart phone or even the old phone. Maybe 10000+. One way to invoke a character is to type the sound with an English letter, called Pin Yin by Mandarin, the prompt will give you a few selection with all the characters of different tones, because it's hard to input the tone info, the tone is so confusing, people from differen regions in China mess up the tone all the time, the other way to invoke is to write on the screen, this is for the old people who do not know Pin Yin well, but can write.
The tone and writing is very hard, the grammar is super easy, only simple past tense, no gender. When Chinese speak English, that's why they mix she he all the time.

 

[ArielFabian]

There seem to be a kind of logic with the characters, for instance "gold" is 金 and "funds": 资金 , I guess learning one or 2 symbols everyday is the key.
It is better to see how many new characters have you learnt than see how many are left.

 

[Hybrid Ambassador]

There seem to be a kind of logic with the characters, for instance "gold" is 金 and "funds": 资金 , I guess learning one or 2 symbols everyday is the key.

And we have this kind of writing in Japanese which states, Green cash ! 現金 = US Dollar...

 

[sleslie23]

There seem to be a kind of logic with the characters, for instance "gold" is 金 and "funds": 资金 , I guess learning one or 2 symbols everyday is the key.
It is better to see how many new characters have you learnt than see how many are left.

There is definitely a logic within the characters and once you learn it, it makes learning characters much easier. You are right, steadily learning character is the key, in my opinion. However, they are easy to forget, so you have to continue practicing the ones you already know.

Also, keep in mind that in modern Mandarin, most words are composed of two characters. So, after learning the character, you then have to learn words where it is used. That gets easier the more words/characters you know, but it's hard at first.

Anyway, to attempt to tie this back to the original subject, there are a lot of Argentines studying Mandarin. If you look at the course schedule for the CUI, other than English (and maybe Portuguese), Mandarin is the most popular language.