Coffee and cake prices

[Lanick]

Most people wanna complain because now they have to pay real prices instead of what they used to pay in the golden era of the kirchners.
I know for a fact that if you are going thru some hard times here , you would need to re think your lifestyle . Steveinbsas has a pretty good plan all laid out out there on his farm,but for those not rurally inclined, you can still get a 200 or 300 dollars apartment in downtown chivilcoy or suipacha, but that would be too much to ask for those that want to live in recoleta or barrio norte while bitching about prices.
That's right dear expats, sometimes you can't afford certain things even in third world countries, i can't believe that they are just starting to figure that out.
I'm starting to suspect that all those Argentina lovers didn't love Argentina that much and were here for the ridiculous low prices.

These are not the real prices tho! People are being ripped off. Adjusting yourself to changes is something understandable but not complaining to getting ripped off is not! If loving a country meant “keep quiet and adjust” then all those millions of Argentines wouldn’t be leaving. Also; Argentina was expensive in the past but was nothing like that. Getting a discount of 25-40% discount sin tope on a certain credit card, do you think that’s normal?

 

[Redpossum]

That is exactly what i , unsympatheticly, was trying to say, your reality changed and you improvise adapt and overcome,
some of us been there before and know how to do it without much fuss.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but , in my case, it always rubbed me the wrong way when expats come here pretending they
love this place until it's not cheap anymore.
I wish your situation improves since i know how it feels.

Yes, I went through a couple years of this shit after the crash of 2007/2008, and I know how to do it, but I hate it with a passion. I miss coffee so much. Honestly, having endured it before just increases my loathing for the experience. Being able to sit down after breakfast with a cup of decent coffee and a couple sweet rolls is a fairly minor luxury. It's not asking the earth. And it pisses me off severely that I cannot even afford that.

And the worst of it is that all this crap is purely a created austerity. There's no objective reason why it has to be like this. This is the rich and powerful playing games with our lives.

 

[Lanick]

Yes, I went through a couple years of this shit after the crash of 2007/2008, and I know how to do it, but I hate it with a passion. I miss coffee so much. Honestly, having endured it before just increases my loathing for the experience. Being able to sit down after breakfast with a cup of decent coffee and a couple sweet rolls is a fairly minor luxury. It's not asking the earth. And it pisses me off severely that I cannot even afford that.

And the worst of it is that all this crap is purely a created austerity. There's no objective reason why it has to be like this. This is the rich and powerful playing games with our

Exactly a created austerity!! Coffee and sweet rolls is not even a minor luxury.

 

[mc kenna]

These are not the real prices tho! People are being ripped off. Adjusting yourself to changes is something understandable but not complaining to getting ripped off is not! If loving a country meant “keep quiet and adjust” then all those millions of Argentines wouldn’t be leaving. Also; Argentina was expensive in the past but was nothing like that. Getting a discount of 25-40% discount sin tope on a certain credit card, do you think that’s normal?

I'm not defending price gouging and it is not fair and i think we can all agree on that, also we must agree as adults, that is very real.
Life is never fair, just, healthy or safe and we must deal with that best we can.
Maybe i come off as unsympathetic but if you think this is bad, i hope you never have to go thru some really horrible things that happened here in the past.
Different crisis have a very particular way of shaping one's outlook on life, for instance, having the best medical coverage available but due to some crisis all medical coverage was suspended until when ever they felt like it with no end in sight as you see your own mother splipping away at a very early age due to a terminal illness , is very unfair and bleak, however we did what we had to do and she never went without treatment or another case of a similar patient waiting for morphine as he was also going fast, to have that morphine arrive 2 months after his death seemed like adding insult to injury, this also happened in my family.
So, to answer your question, no it is not normal nor is fair , now go ahead and start your very own ''i want cheaper coffee revolution''
'' keep quiet and adjust'' you say? sometimes is the only thing you CAN do.

 

[ArgentinaVet]

They aren't 'real prices'. The exchange rate isn't real.

The exchange rate is "real". For the time being, an individual or business can buy as many USD as they want electronically via the MEP or CCL markets. What the exchange rate is not is sustainable.

 

[chris]

The exchange rate is "real". For the time being, an individual or business can buy as many USD as they want electronically via the MEP or CCL markets. What the exchange rate is not is sustainable.

The exchange rate certainly doesn't reflect any sort of libertarian, free market capitalist policy.

 

[Redpossum]

I'm not defending price gouging and it is not fair and i think we can all agree on that, also we must agree as adults, that is very real.
Life is never fair, just, healthy or safe and we must deal with that best we can.
Maybe i come off as unsympathetic but if you think this is bad, i hope you never have to go thru some really horrible things that happened here in the past.
Different crisis have a very particular way of shaping one's outlook on life, for instance, having the best medical coverage available but due to some crisis all medical coverage was suspended until when ever they felt like it with no end in sight as you see your own mother splipping away at a very early age due to a terminal illness , is very unfair and bleak, however we did what we had to do and she never went without treatment or another case of a similar patient waiting for morphine as he was also going fast, to have that morphine arrive 2 months after his death seemed like adding insult to injury, this also happened in my family.
So, to answer your question, no it is not normal nor is fair , now go ahead and start your very own ''i want cheaper coffee revolution''
'' keep quiet and adjust'' you say? sometimes is the only thing you CAN do.

Sorry to hear about your mom. Mine passed away very suddenly at the age of 41, so I do have some idea how that feels.

Adjust, certainly, as I have already detailed. But I utterly fail to see any reason why I should "keep quiet". Nobody is talking about starting any revolution.

 

[Lanick]

I'm not defending price gouging and it is not fair and i think we can all agree on that, also we must agree as adults, that is very real.
Life is never fair, just, healthy or safe and we must deal with that best we can.
Maybe i come off as unsympathetic but if you think this is bad, i hope you never have to go thru some really horrible things that happened here in the past.
Different crisis have a very particular way of shaping one's outlook on life, for instance, having the best medical coverage available but due to some crisis all medical coverage was suspended until when ever they felt like it with no end in sight as you see your own mother splipping away at a very early age due to a terminal illness , is very unfair and bleak, however we did what we had to do and she never went without treatment or another case of a similar patient waiting for morphine as he was also going fast, to have that morphine arrive 2 months after his death seemed like adding insult to injury, this also happened in my family.
So, to answer your question, no it is not normal nor is fair , now go ahead and start your very own ''i want cheaper coffee revolution''
'' keep quiet and adjust'' you say? sometimes is the only thing you CAN do.

I am so sorry for your mom’s experiences. I don’t know where you’re from but we are done with revolutions as of 1789. Everyone here is an adult and they’re all entitled to their opinion. We practice freedom of speech. Nobody here talking about or has any sort of inclination for a revolution. Some of us pensioners trying to make ends meet and some of us raising family. The situation got worse and worse and the ones who’re financially literate are aware of the game being played in Argentina and they get annoyed at that. Coffee is the simplest example. Just an example. Not that I really worry about coffee. It’s not about prices going up either. This country became an unaffordable place under false pretences. Artificial. And I completely disagree that “sometimes all you can do is to keep quiet and adjust”! That might be the case for natural causes but not for transitional fiscal policies per se and opportunistic approach of businesses that take the situation for granted. Most people on here love Argentina thus living here but it’s a right by default to raise your voice against things that you don’t agree with but not a revolution.

 

[mc kenna]

I am so sorry for your mom’s experiences. I don’t know where you’re from but we are done with revolutions as of 1789. Everyone here is an adult and they’re all entitled to their opinion. We practice freedom of speech. Nobody here talking about or has any sort of inclination for a revolution. Some of us pensioners trying to make ends meet and some of us raising family. The situation got worse and worse and the ones who’re financially literate are aware of the game being played in Argentina and they get annoyed at that. Coffee is the simplest example. Just an example. Not that I really worry about coffee. It’s not about prices going up either. This country became an unaffordable place under false pretences. Artificial. And I completely disagree that “sometimes all you can do is to keep quiet and adjust”! That might be the case for natural causes but not for transitional fiscal policies per se and opportunistic approach of businesses that take the situation for granted. Most people on here love Argentina thus living here but it’s a right by default to raise your voice against things that you don’t agree with but not a revolution.

I don't know where you are from either but i will tell you this, if you think you have the same rights here as ,say, United States, you are very confused(not wrong) just confused about what this country is about, go ahead and raise your voice all you want , assuming justice will prevail.
To give you an idea , i recall the price cap peron put in place back in 74 creating the biggest and quickest black market in recent history of this lovely country, oh and by the way peron won that election with almost 62% of the votes, so yeah i understand your point also i understand no one took me seriously when i mentioned a revolution , the powers that be know it all too well, we'll bitch about it maybe even protest out on the streets but nothing will change because people here can't or won't risk taking actual actions to change things, and this include the return to a democratic regime after the military government, in that particular case democracy was handed back by the military when they were good and ready to give up power, perhaps because they ran out of things to screw up.

 

[nikad]

I have just returned after spending a month in the US ( FL and NC ). Like everybody else, I had been adjusting here, witnessing some obscene price increases, complaining, and again, adjusting. When we decided to go visit DHs family, I was somehow convinced that it was all going to be much cheaper/affordable in the US, only to come to the conclusion that prices are the same for basic groceries, maybe gas, and the most basic clothes ( not brand names ). The rest I have found it all to be expensive. Especially eating out, entertainment, hotels, utilities. For some items quality is higher and there is certainly a huge variety of items everywhere. I noticed that most people there complain about how expensive everything is. Last time I visited was before the pandemic. an 80k income certainly will not take you very far, especially if you need to save towards retirement. I am not exactly sure how retirees manage to live there, but I am starting to understand with some try retire and move abroad. I am not an expert in economy, but something is very off in Arg. I am anything but pro K. Argentina was very expensive in the 90s, but many foreign companies invested in the country, and even though imports killed the local industry, at least the services industry was booming. This.... this is something else that honestly cannot figure out. As for the US, while I wait for USCIS, etc, I am somewhat worried, I simply don't understand how you make ends meet, save enough towards retirement and not fall into huge debt, and have a good health coverage during your lifetime for yourself and your family.