Got deported

[nikad]

Thank you so much again! I think I’ve got the grasp of it now.

I wonder, finally, have you any idea if the witnesses need to have known you for the whole relationship? The date from which we have known the witnesses is asked for.

Most of those who have known us our whole relationship are family members of my girlfriend, and so cannot be used.

Not at all. They just need to present to witness the act, it can be any adult with DNI that is not family.

 

[Phatbuddha]

I’m an American citizen who has been living in Argentina with my Argentine national partner for the past 2.5 years. I returned to the states about every 5-6 months and paid the habilitación de salida every time.

The last time I left (about a month ago), I made the mistake of putting the paper/receipt confirming I paid the habilitación de salida into my check-in luggage. There was a bit of a hassle at migrations, but ultimately the supervisor looked at my record (and that I’d always paid the hds), was understanding that I was staying with my partner, and let me off with a warning that next time I needed to bring the papers (pretty much verbatim).

I’d read online that sometimes when returning to Argentina, migrations wouldn’t let you through if you hadn’t previously paid the hds. I wasn’t sure if the supervisor had just let me go or marked me as having paid, so I figured when I returned, I’d show them the papers just in case.

I’d also read - and maybe misunderstood this part - that it might be better to just be honest and tell migrations that you live here and are returning.

I flew into Argentina yesterday, gave my passport along with hds papers, and when asked if I was here for tourism, I said I live here with my partner. The officer took everything back to his supervisor (a different man), who came to me after some time and was indignant that the hds was supposed to be a one- or two-time occurrence and that what I was doing was illegal. He didn’t care that I lived with my partner and made it to be a whole separate thing as to why I was in Argentina for those periods of time. He left and came back to yell at me about all this again at least one more time.

I was there for about half an hour when they had me go into the office and wait another 10-15 min. The supervisor came and had me sign an Acta de Incidente that said “Sospecha fundada - falso turista,” which I just did since they still had my passport and I honestly wasn’t sure what my other options were. He said next time I come, I need to have a visa and then kicked me out, leaving me with an airline agent and another migrations officer. I asked them what the requirements were for my reentry, and they told me this was a 3 year ban and to re-enter during this period, I would need to go to Argentine embassy and get an appropriate visa.

So yeah, now I’m flying back to my family’s home, a little numb and still reeling over everything. This turned out contrary to everything I read up about people living here and the illegality of the irregular status of those paying habilitación de salida. Not sure if it’s because of the change in government or whether it was always like this.

My partner can’t easily come to the states, and all my belongings are in Argentina, where I am now apparently banned from lol. Not sure what I can do now, if anything, but it sucks. Writing this as a warning to others who might be doing the same, but if you have any advice, I’ll also gladly hear it.

Uruguay?

 

[whattodo]

Not at all. They just need to present to witness the act, it can be any adult with DNI that is not family.

Thanks again.

Also, I was interested in the point you made in one of your previous posts:

“Importance of the civil union registration
Resolution 4880/2015 from Migraciones ( google it ) recognizes registered civil unions with similar legal effects to marriage for immigration purposes.
This means that once registered, a civil union allows the foreign partner to access similar immigration benefits as a spouse.”

I read the suggested document, thank you again for sharing. I also accessed the following page: <https://www.argentina.gob.ar/justicia/derechofacil/leysimple/migrantes>

There it states that ‘[those who] have a union civil Convivencial with an Argentinian… se considera residentes permanentes’. Said union must be inscribed in the corresponding registry.

Given that I don’t foresee that I’ll make (nearly) enough progress on permanent residency to attain a precaria before I leave Argentina for ~two months in mid -June, should I expect not to have any issues leaving/returning if I can demonstrate that my partner and I are in civil union?

At least, that is what I understood from your message beforehand. Indeed, that is what the link you shared with me seems to demonstrate, and also the one that I’ve shared above.

Would I carry a copy of the Certificado de Convivencia with me? Or would said union be displayed on immigration’s end? Could I expect this to help me, should any issues arise?

Apologies for the 101 questions and thank you again for your help, it’s been invaluable.

 

[nikad]

Thanks again.

Also, I was interested in the point you made in one of your previous posts:

“Importance of the civil union registration
Resolution 4880/2015 from Migraciones ( google it ) recognizes registered civil unions with similar legal effects to marriage for immigration purposes.
This means that once registered, a civil union allows the foreign partner to access similar immigration benefits as a spouse.”

I read the suggested document, thank you again for sharing. I also accessed the following page: <https://www.argentina.gob.ar/justicia/derechofacil/leysimple/migrantes>

There it states that ‘[those who] have a union civil Convivencial with an Argentinian… se considera residentes permanentes’. Said union must be inscribed in the corresponding registry.

Given that I don’t foresee that I’ll make (nearly) enough progress on permanent residency to attain a precaria before I leave Argentina for ~two months in mid -June, should I expect not to have any issues leaving/returning if I can demonstrate that my partner and I are in civil union?

At least, that is what I understood from your message beforehand. Indeed, that is what the link you shared with me seems to demonstrate, and also the one that I’ve shared above.

Would I carry a copy of the Certificado de Convivencia with me? Or would said union be displayed on immigration’s end? Could I expect this to help me, should any issues arise?

Apologies for the 101 questions and thank you again for your help, it’s been invaluable.

I honestly can't answer your question. Your best option is to have everything started and carry proof of it all with you. You can also have your partner call Migraciones and find out from the source itself.

 

[whattodo]

I honestly can't answer your question. Your best option is to have everything started and carry proof of it all with you. You can also have your partner call Migraciones and find out from the source itself.

Appreciate the honesty. In fact, I can call Migraciones. My Spanish is fluent, fortunately, and I can easily broach the situation myself.

And yes, I’ll make sure to have absolutely everything I can at that stage. Thanks for all the kind advice!