How many Argentines live abroad?

[Paul_NL]

I red anywhere around 800.000 to 1.000.000.
This is what I know:
Around 160.000 Argentines in Spain(figure must be a lot higher because many have obtained Spanish nationality)
115.000 Italians in Spain. Most of which are from Uruguay and Argentina. A wild guess must be that there are around 80.000 from Argentina. I think that there are many more Argentines with Italian pasport who live in especially Italy and USA, Canada, Australia and Europe(although I could never find anything about the Argentines in Italy)
Anybody with any more statistics?

 

[Mad_Maxx]

Over 100,000 living in Miami, USA. Almost half of these have arrived in the last 5 years.

 

[Johngwyn]

It's 2025.... Wow, I thought this trend only started since Pandemic.

 

[LuckyLuke]

I'm curious of the Italian figure personally. It's my understanding that the motive behind the recent limitation of the third generation birthright route to Italian citizenship was specifically because people were taking advantage of the newly acquired italian passport to move to Spain or some other schengen zone instead of actually returning to their "ancestral roots".

 

[Quilombo]

Federico Sturzenegger apparently said at La Rural recently that between 2013 and 2023 2.5 million Argentines emigrated abroad, and this of course doesn't include those who have left since Milei took office.

I remember the head of the Buenos Aires college of physicians telling La Nación something like 100 more doctors per month are requesting the homologation of their medical licenses to move to Spain/EU and the US, and personally I can say the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has taken it's sweet time to apostilize our documents due to "high demand".

I don't think people are fleeing like in 2001/2002, but the brain drain continues: the most educated/highly skilled/productive citizens move abroad (or work remotely) while formal employment shrinks, monotributistas increase, and the wealth continues to transfer upwards. Look at the salaries they pay doctors at Garrahan: even with Milei giving them a raise they now earn 1.3M pesos, half of which is the average rent/expensas for a studio or 1 bedroom in CABA.

 

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I’m always bit surprised at migraciones to hear what are clearly Argentine accents in the foreign passports queue….
Wonder why they don’t enter as Argentines.

 

[Lanick]

My entire life (almost) I have been coming down to BsAs for at least a month during Christmas until 2009. Then the next time I came was in 2018. It has always been a trip that “can’t wait for it”, always wanted to live in Argentina at one point. When I came in 2018 something was different, it was not as vibing as before. Couldn’t figure out what’s happening until a friend gave me a heads up! Everyone’s left Argentina!! Of course not everyone but the young educated and talented people, who made the city vibe in a good way has left the country. BsAs used to be an amazing city. Great club scene, a lot of activities which doesn’t seem to exist as much. Argentina played “Finalisimma” against Italy in London, I was at the game and there were more Argentines than Italians. In Spain there are a lot of Italians living but they’re almost all from Argentina. People are buying properties in Miami like crazy. Many people and almost all upper middle class and above has a plan to leave the country. Until 20 years ago I always felt like I’m in Europe. Not anymore. They’ve wasted this wonderful country!!!

 

[LuckyLuke]

My entire life (almost) I have been coming down to BsAs for at least a month during Christmas until 2009. Then the next time I came was in 2018. It has always been a trip that “can’t wait for it”, always wanted to live in Argentina at one point. When I came in 2018 something was different, it was not as vibing as before. Couldn’t figure out what’s happening until a friend gave me a heads up! Everyone’s left Argentina!! Of course not everyone but the young educated and talented people, who made the city vibe in a good way has left the country. BsAs used to be an amazing city. Great club scene, a lot of activities which doesn’t seem to exist as much. Argentina played “Finalisimma” against Italy in London, I was at the game and there were more Argentines than Italians. In Spain there are a lot of Italians living but they’re almost all from Argentina. People are buying properties in Miami like crazy. Many people and almost all upper middle class and above has a plan to leave the country. Until 20 years ago I always felt like I’m in Europe. Not anymore. They’ve wasted this wonderful country!!!

It happens to a lot of cities as they go through revitalization, gentrification, mismanagement, crime, slump, and eventual revitalization again.

You gotta be crazy to buy a condo in Miami right now. They are cheap for a reason and it's not because they are a "great deal"...

That being said, brain drains are a sad effect. I won't be surprised if my kiddos decide to go back to the US once they've grown...at least for a

 

[Johngwyn]

Federico Sturzenegger apparently said at La Rural recently that between 2013 and 2023 2.5 million Argentines emigrated abroad, and this of course doesn't include those who have left since Milei took office.

I remember the head of the Buenos Aires college of physicians telling La Nación something like 100 more doctors per month are requesting the homologation of their medical licenses to move to Spain/EU and the US, and personally I can say the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has taken it's sweet time to apostilize our documents due to "high demand".

I don't think people are fleeing like in 2001/2002, but the brain drain continues: the most educated/highly skilled/productive citizens move abroad (or work remotely) while formal employment shrinks, monotributistas increase, and the wealth continues to transfer upwards. Look at the salaries they pay doctors at Garrahan: even with Milei giving them a raise they now earn 1.3M pesos, half of which is the average rent/expensas for a studio or 1 bedroom in CABA.

One thousand bucks is not too bad compare to what people makes in Brazil....
My gf she is a doctor too and her rent is 400K pesos per month in Caballito.
But yeah, things are so expensive, I just went super market to realize a large bag of cheetos is 7500 pesos now.

 

[devilclam]

But yeah, things are so expensive, I just went super market to realize a large bag of cheetos is 7500 pesos now.

I saw a bag of imported buffalo ranch flavored potato chips that cost 14500 pesos the other day. Like I'm the specific audience for that type of thing and even I won't pay that