I need to vent. Fatal shootings in Minnesota

[Paige55]

Very subjective and selective viewpoint.

Tell that to the homeless mother on the streets of BA that everyone just passes on by without a second thought.

You have had help but there are countless stories of those that didn't. Their viewpoint might be alittle off putting to your admitted rose colored attitude, so lets just sweep it under the rug.

I don't pass her, or anyone asking for help. I help with all I can muster, every time. And I've seen several other people help those without housing and food in their neighborhoods. There are whole organizations dedicated to it, that put together food/clothes/toy drives and go out every, single night to provide sustenance and conversation and avenues towards work/shelter (if wanted) to those living in precarious situations. Your view is just as subjective and selective, based on your lived experience, as a I said prior.

Many have help and you're either blind to it or refuse to admit it because it goes against your narrative? I don't know you so can't make heads and tails of your thought patterns.

To pity everyone in that situation, though, like they have the worst lives is also short-sighted. Have you sat and talked with them? I've talked to many folks here, they often have larger communities. And helping them 1000% to get settled would count on systemic changes at a government level...you know, like the ones people go out and fight for. Laws are consistently made to push people into poverty, thankfully many are still striving toward more equitable lives, for everyone (not only themselves).

Not sure why your tone is so strange with people simply providing the other side of the coin. Having rose-colored glasses doesn't entail ignoring the ills of the world and acting as though there is no suffering, quite the opposite. It's seeing the suffering and knowing that you can collectively, incrementally begin to act on it, reverse it. If you are consistently hell-bent on only seeing the negative, you'll never be emboldened to enact positive change. In fact, it's typically those who've suffered or are being put-upon by life that have the audacity to see the kindness and come up with ways to remedy society's shortcomings, together. I could list a litany of examples.

I know the helpers, I see the helpers, and there are far more helpers than you let on. It's hard to change laws, and get people out of power that work against their population. That's true, but there have always been mutual aid networks, denizens of people committed to doing the heavy lifting when others think all hope is lost.

If you're savvy to help some of those on the streets, look into Fundacion Sí (their recorridos nocturnos). Just one example of folks helping those that 'nobody cares about.' They do tremendous work. Also the story of this carpenter from Toronto, comes to mind.

 

[on the brink]

No not sad at all. Maybe youre projecting here.

Troll on........!

 

[ksm76]

Troll on........!

what? Get lost

 

[ksm76]

I don't pass her, or anyone asking for help. I help with all I can muster, every time. And I've seen several other people help those without housing and food in their neighborhoods. There are whole organizations dedicated to it, that put together food/clothes/toy drives and go out every, single night to provide sustenance and conversation and avenues towards work/shelter (if wanted) to those living in precarious situations. Your view is just as subjective and selective, based on your lived experience, as a I said prior.

Many have help and you're either blind to it or refuse to admit it because it goes against your narrative? I don't know you so can't make heads and tails of your thought patterns.

To pity everyone in that situation, though, like they have the worst lives is also short-sighted. Have you sat and talked with them? I've talked to many folks here, they often have larger communities. And helping them 1000% to get settled would count on systemic changes at a government level...you know, like the ones people go out and fight for. Laws are consistently made to push people into poverty, thankfully many are still striving toward more equitable lives, for everyone (not only themselves).

Not sure why your tone is so strange with people simply providing the other side of the coin. Having rose-colored glasses doesn't entail ignoring the ills of the world and acting as though there is no suffering, quite the opposite. It's seeing the suffering and knowing that you can collectively, incrementally begin to act on it, reverse it. If you are consistently hell-bent on only seeing the negative, you'll never be emboldened to enact positive change. In fact, it's typically those who've suffered or are being put-upon by life that have the audacity to see the kindness and come up with ways to remedy society's shortcomings, together. I could list a litany of examples.

I know the helpers, I see the helpers, and there are far more helpers than you let on. It's hard to change laws, and get people out of power that work against their population. That's true, but there have always been mutual aid networks, denizens of people committed to doing the heavy lifting when others think all hope is lost.

If you're savvy to help some of those on the streets, look into Fundacion Sí (their recorridos nocturnos). Just one example of folks helping those that 'nobody cares about.' They do tremendous work. Also the story of this carpenter from Toronto, comes to mind.

Not doubting some help the needy.
My Argument is that the majority dont. Why is this even a question?
I've seen countless homeless asking for help around BA and have observed that a good 99% just walk on by and many of the homeless are just asking for leche, not even money, yet nothing from the majority. This is a representation of a broader characterization of humanity that just proves my point.

Again I stand firm that the majority of humanity is self serving and lack empathy. The very few minority are different, of course. Not sure how this is even an argument. Its so obvious.

 

[Paige55]

Not doubting some help the needy.
My Argument is that the majority dont. Why is this even a question?
I've seen countless homeless asking for help around BA and have observed that a good 99% just walk on by and many of the homeless are just asking for leche, not even money, yet nothing from the majority. This is a representation of a broader characterization of humanity that just proves my point.

Again I stand firm that the majority of humanity is self serving and lack empathy. The very few minority are different, of course. Not sure how this is even an argument. Its so obvious.

See, we live in a different world because I always see people give them help, money, resources. Obviously many walk by, many aren't able to financially help or do any heavy lifting, and some are self serving, surely, of course. When I'm seeing the kind people, and you're not. Well, how do we parse it?

It's not 'so obvious.' I know others see what I see, and many others still...see it how you see it. So words like 'obvious' don't factor here. If only a 'very few' helped, there would never be change at all. And there have been several changes toward justice/equity in my lifetime alone.

I'm not here to change your mind, only to let you know there is a large movement and hoards of folks out here helping, not only a small fraction. If people only see it your way, those in power get their way...we continue to isolate, divide ourselves and live outside of community depending solely on the crumbs they choose to offer. Which makes it far easier for the bad apples to push us under completely. You have power, I have power, everyone has that power and many use it for good. You're a small sample size, as am I. Neither of us can talk in absolutes. Yet, you do. In every instance. Talk as though your world view is the absolute, the truth. When many others see the opposite. The majority of humanity being self-serving isn't the absolute truth. I hope one day you'll see the other side of the coin on this. But, perhaps not. And, that's ok. I'm not here to pick a fight, only to offer hope to those of us that still see the value in working towards the common good. It's possible and plausible even if those who are a bit more self-serving stand in the way at times. Best to you, and I mean that. I'm going to stop hogging the thread so others can have the space to ruminate a little.

 

[ksm76]

See, we live in a different world because I always see people give them help, money, resources. Obviously many walk by, many aren't able to financially help or do any heavy lifting, and some are self serving, surely, of course. When I'm seeing the kind people, and you're not. Well, how do we parse it?

It's not 'so obvious.' I know others see what I see, and many others still...see it how you see it. So words like 'obvious' don't factor here. If only a 'very few' helped, there would never be change at all. And there have been several changes toward justice/equity in my lifetime alone.

I'm not here to change your mind, only to let you know there is a large movement and hoards of folks out here helping, not only a small fraction. If people only see it your way, those in power get their way...we continue to isolate, divide ourselves and live outside of community depending solely on the crumbs they choose to offer. Which makes it far easier for the bad apples to push us under completely. You have power, I have power, everyone has that power and many use it for good. You're a small sample size, as am I. Neither of us can talk in absolutes. Yet, you do. In every instance. Talk as though your world view is the absolute, the truth. When many others see the opposite. The majority of humanity being self-serving isn't the absolute truth. I hope one day you'll see the other side of the coin on this. But, perhaps not. And, that's ok. I'm not here to pick a fight, only to offer hope to those of us that still see the value in working towards the common good. It's possible and plausible even if those who are a bit more self-serving stand in the way at times. Best to you, and I mean that. I'm going to stop hogging the thread so others can have the space to ruminate a little.

You seem genuine and I appreciate that. Ive seen lots of good in this world but sadly not in human nature. Too much evidence to the contrary. I'd love things to change but that requires people seeing the current structure is not working. Too many people still want all for them and very little for others.

The homeless example is just an obvious in your face, real world reality. The fact that there are right now homeless to begin with is a tragedy in of its self, that as a society we have to ask ourselves, why do we allow homelessness?

 

[Paige55]

You seem genuine and I appreciate that. Ive seen lots of good in this world but sadly not in human nature. Too much evidence to the contrary. I'd love things to change but that requires people seeing the current structure is not working. Too many people still want all for them and very little for others.

The homeless example is just an obvious in your face, real world reality. The fact that there are right now homeless to begin with is a tragedy in of its self, that as a society we have to ask ourselves, why do we allow homelessness?

I think it's (homelessness) not 'allowed' so much as people might feel they don't have the power to run up against an entire system, it's a profound problem. But, I promise you, it's worth trying and so...sometimes when you see people marching, remember a large number of them are genuinely there because they care. Really. And we need them, we need those that still have faith in one another, faith enough to stand up for a greater good. They're working toward change, and at the very least, their actions breed conversation, shedding light on some of the ills so others might get ants in their pants to help, too. All hope isn't lost, it's just on the long walk home.

 

[Silvie]

No not sad at all. Maybe youre projecting here.

 

[GuidoAnselmi]

This poster must be a troll.

A troll or a very angry cynic.

 

[devilclam]

I’m quite disturbed by the very black and white thinking that is happening on this thread. I fear much of the conversation here is discursive and ego-driven rather than useful or insightful.

Son muy tendenciosos, che!