I need to vent. Fatal shootings in Minnesota

Yep! The same rabbit hole that includes, the gulf of tonkin incident, the Kennedy assassination, 911, Iraqi war of no weapons of mass destruction, Wuhan China lab man made breakout of covid funded by the 🇺🇸 and the deliberate mass illegal immigration by the Biden administration to to garner a new permanent political sytem .That rabbit hole? Lol. Its quite nice. Its very clear and forthright down here but sheep aren't allowed to enter.
None of those popular "conspiracies", even if true, mean that the crowds in Minneapolis are not bottom up, grassroots driven instead of top down. Some citizens understand and want to keep their constitutional rights. That's why people are protesting. I've got other things to do.
 
Your numbers are way off about what happened here in the 70's but you already made up your mind so what's the point in trying to show proof that most of what you might know has a heavy coat of propaganda well dished out by the local left .
As far as ICE , i'm not saying they are saints but they have a job to do which is remove ilegal aliens and because of the prejudice against Trump ,some Americans are turning on their own government , again, defending criminals . That alone is hard to believe that all of the sudden 70 year old Americans want ilegal aliens to stay when there are a ton of people waiting in line their turn to access the US by legal means.
I dont know a single 70 year old american in my home area there, Skagit County, who doesnt depend on immigrants, some of whom are undocumented, for planting, harvesting and packing the crops, working in every restaurant, doing most of the construction work, yard work, home, hospice, and health care, day care, and on and on and on. You want a fridge repaired or garbage hauled or trees trimmed, a heat pump installed or a forklift repaired... and on and on and on.
When a local well known landscaping guy got picked up, who had dozens of clients for a decade or more, and employed a crew, during the first trump term, dozens of local citizens contributed money to help with his immigration lawyer.
Our mainly agricultural county is about 25% latino, and nobody knows the legal status, or, frankly, cares. NO spinach gets rogued, no berries get picked, no roofs get repaired or lawns mowed or senior care centers gets staffed without immigrants.
So, believe it or not, but its certainly the truth.
Immigrants in my county are responsible for paying taxes, employing people, starting businesses, and serving everybody graciously and well. We know it and appreciate it.
 
And yes, so the discussion goes on.... Quite the enrichment of the BAexpats forum it is (not). I am truly appalled by anyone that can't control the urge to bring this toxic, totally irrelevant, discussion into this forum.
 
Agree, as someone who has spent a big chunk of my life in Minneapolis, I'm turned off by much of the misinformation being spread.
Yes, I agree, the best looking men, the smartest, the most popular and just the most wonderful men are from Minneapolis, Minnesota
 
And yes, so the discussion goes on.... Quite the enrichment of the BAexpats forum it is (not). I am truly appalled by anyone that can't control the urge to bring this toxic, totally irrelevant, discussion into this forum.
I erred in posting my message in the wrong category. I should have posted in "World Affairs". As is common in many web platforms, there is much opinion, unbounded by rigorous fact checking. But I'll shoulder the blame for my post that landed outside your content guardrails. Please extend your kindness and mercy to the others that replied to the post.
 
And yes, so the discussion goes on.... Quite the enrichment of the BAexpats forum it is (not). I am truly appalled by anyone that can't control the urge to bring this toxic, totally irrelevant, discussion into this forum.
The Netherlands are heavily affected by the toxic state or US politics, andtthe Netherlands are also having charged discussions about immigration, deportation, and race. Partij voor de Vrijheid, anyone?
Trump is using economic, cultural, diplomatic, and military actions all over the world, invading countries right here in South America, as well as in the middle east, asia, and, yes, Europe.

Milei, and, this morning, Jorge Macri, are copying and echoing Trump's immigration stances and aping some of his enforcement techniques.
The world is interconnected.
Everything that is happening now in the USA is extremely relevant to Argentina, South America as a whole, and Europe.
 
Everyone should go watch Ari Aster's 'Eddington,' because I'm pretty sure he does the best job of summing up the manufactured hatred being sown amongst the population so that the powers that be can continue pillaging the world for sport. I'll never subscribe to this vast propaganda and I'll continue loving my neighbors on both sides of the political divide. On account of they're my fellow humans on this spinning rock, and no idiot president or political affiliation will convince me they deserve to die in the street for the sin of simply pleading with those who run this circus to start working for us again (rather than the hoards of big-money donors behind each of their shady campaigns).
 
I am also currently in Minnesota, so I thought I would share my perspective. Nice to see another person with Minnesota-Argentina connections on here. I got back from Argentina the day after Renee Good was shot, so it was quite a hornet's nest. I am not in Minneapolis proper so will not speculate on that, but am in a "first-ring" suburb that touches Minneapolis. Things from my perspective have been quiet overall -- if you live in one of the most-targeted neighborhoods of Minneapolis or St. Paul, I'm sure that feels different. We have many Argentine or Argentine-American friends here and from the dozen or so I have recently talked to, I am not aware of anyone having had an actual run-in with ICE. Many people are carrying their passports (if US citizens) or other proof of legal status as a precaution.

As is often times the case with these highly-polarized scenarios, the truth about what is going on or "how bad it is," is probably somewhere in the middle. The entire metro area is not a constant war zone. Fleets of ICE are not stopping people at checkpoints all around the metro and asking for their "papers." Maybe this is occurring in specific neighborhoods where ICE is deploying. I drove by the Whipple Building, which is a federal building that ICE is operating out of and has been the target of many protests/police riot lines/tear gas deployments, yesterday afternoon and it was quiet -- many police cars and barricades, but no confrontations that I could see.

In my own personal life, I saw ICE detaining a man in the parking lot of a suburban WalMart a few weeks ago. It happened without incident. I have not seen them out and about walking through stores or stopping random passers-by at the supermarket etc. I did see a "known ICE vehicle" that is a Subaru with a very distinct color scheme and license plate that is always on social media, driving very fast down a highway and was tailed almost on its bumper by another car -- either ICE in a convoy, or observers attempting to follow it at high speed. Which many observers are reportedly doing -- driving around all day following ICE to report on their whereabouts.

I have seen the occasional peaceful protestor, like standing on street corners with a sign or on highway overpass bridges with flags and signs. The videos you see of the people being overtly confrontational appear confined to active ICE operations in the cities proper. There are reports of what was essentially an organized chat group where protestors would share information on ICE whereabouts, deploy to get in their faces, whistle, etc. which in my opinion creates these kind of unfortunate situations where the two shootings happened. Many of the worst social media videos are shorter snippets in time, so who really knows the entire context of those interactions. There is a concerted subgroup of people here whose entire goal is to be as obstructive as possible, degrade ICE operations, physically intervene at times, etc. To the earlier point about the protests being organic, I would agree that the large protest from last week or the people out on highway overpass bridges etc. are organic, i.e. no one is "paying them." But I don't agree that the groups who get together and inject themselves into active ICE operations or throw things at them are "organic" in the same sense -- they may not necessarily be "getting paid," but their goals and strategies and plans are centrally formulated and are different from the people who just show up to hold signs and who disagree with ICE being here.

Much of the reported activities to me seem overblown--for example, it was reported about two weeks ago on social media and then even local TV news media picked it up as a "real story," that ICE would be at the Minneapolis airport checking individuals and even stopping passengers on the jet bridge as they deplaned. I was there for a flight two weeks ago and saw none of this, from security to deplaning to baggage claim to the parking ramp. Many people, my extended family for example, are seizing on these reports and amping up the hysteria that the entire state is an occupied war zone and people are constantly being stopped and frisked or what have you. I guess I have yet to see it, where I live. I do believe the entire focus on Minnesota is political and is retribution for the stances state-level politicians have taken against the Trump admin in the past. The thrust of the entire opposition to the ICE deployment here essentially seems to be, in essence, that immigration law as it currently exists shouldn't exist, and that more people should actively be in the streets physically opposing the "fascists." As I said before, the truth and a sane middle ground is going to be somewhere in between.
 
And yes, so the discussion goes on.... Quite the enrichment of the BAexpats forum it is (not). I am truly appalled by anyone that can't control the urge to bring this toxic, totally irrelevant, discussion into this forum.
Yes, let's get back to what's really appalling. The earth-shaking, awful quality of sourdough bread and the rising price of blue cheese. Let's just check our humanity at the door.
 
I am also currently in Minnesota, so I thought I would share my perspective. Nice to see another person with Minnesota-Argentina connections on here. I got back from Argentina the day after Renee Good was shot, so it was quite a hornet's nest. I am not in Minneapolis proper so will not speculate on that, but am in a "first-ring" suburb that touches Minneapolis. Things from my perspective have been quiet overall -- if you live in one of the most-targeted neighborhoods of Minneapolis or St. Paul, I'm sure that feels different. We have many Argentine or Argentine-American friends here and from the dozen or so I have recently talked to, I am not aware of anyone having had an actual run-in with ICE. Many people are carrying their passports (if US citizens) or other proof of legal status as a precaution.

As is often times the case with these highly-polarized scenarios, the truth about what is going on or "how bad it is," is probably somewhere in the middle. The entire metro area is not a constant war zone. Fleets of ICE are not stopping people at checkpoints all around the metro and asking for their "papers." Maybe this is occurring in specific neighborhoods where ICE is deploying. I drove by the Whipple Building, which is a federal building that ICE is operating out of and has been the target of many protests/police riot lines/tear gas deployments, yesterday afternoon and it was quiet -- many police cars and barricades, but no confrontations that I could see.

In my own personal life, I saw ICE detaining a man in the parking lot of a suburban WalMart a few weeks ago. It happened without incident. I have not seen them out and about walking through stores or stopping random passers-by at the supermarket etc. I did see a "known ICE vehicle" that is a Subaru with a very distinct color scheme and license plate that is always on social media, driving very fast down a highway and was tailed almost on its bumper by another car -- either ICE in a convoy, or observers attempting to follow it at high speed. Which many observers are reportedly doing -- driving around all day following ICE to report on their whereabouts.

I have seen the occasional peaceful protestor, like standing on street corners with a sign or on highway overpass bridges with flags and signs. The videos you see of the people being overtly confrontational appear confined to active ICE operations in the cities proper. There are reports of what was essentially an organized chat group where protestors would share information on ICE whereabouts, deploy to get in their faces, whistle, etc. which in my opinion creates these kind of unfortunate situations where the two shootings happened. Many of the worst social media videos are shorter snippets in time, so who really knows the entire context of those interactions. There is a concerted subgroup of people here whose entire goal is to be as obstructive as possible, degrade ICE operations, physically intervene at times, etc. To the earlier point about the protests being organic, I would agree that the large protest from last week or the people out on highway overpass bridges etc. are organic, i.e. no one is "paying them." But I don't agree that the groups who get together and inject themselves into active ICE operations or throw things at them are "organic" in the same sense -- they may not necessarily be "getting paid," but their goals and strategies and plans are centrally formulated and are different from the people who just show up to hold signs and who disagree with ICE being here.

Much of the reported activities to me seem overblown--for example, it was reported about two weeks ago on social media and then even local TV news media picked it up as a "real story," that ICE would be at the Minneapolis airport checking individuals and even stopping passengers on the jet bridge as they deplaned. I was there for a flight two weeks ago and saw none of this, from security to deplaning to baggage claim to the parking ramp. Many people, my extended family for example, are seizing on these reports and amping up the hysteria that the entire state is an occupied war zone and people are constantly being stopped and frisked or what have you. I guess I have yet to see it, where I live. I do believe the entire focus on Minnesota is political and is retribution for the stances state-level politicians have taken against the Trump admin in the past. The thrust of the entire opposition to the ICE deployment here essentially seems to be, in essence, that immigration law as it currently exists shouldn't exist, and that more people should actively be in the streets physically opposing the "fascists." As I said before, the truth and a sane middle ground is going to be somewhere in between.
Long story short ... 2 innocent Americans were murdered by the gestapo for exercising their rights ... it's the klan, reborn ... without the robes, but keeping their faces hidden ...and the beat goes on !
 
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