Imagine Buenos Aires In 2030

[pauper]

When I read about anthropogenic warming, I see that a majority of scientists believe it is a cause, even perhaps THE cause. The article you link says "The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years." But I've seen others (granted, in the small minority) that claim human-based sources may contribute to the current warming trend, but that other, natural sources produce more CO2 than human sources.

As the abiotic origin of oil and other petroleum fuels show, scientists can be wrong en masse. NASA, although contributing to data and analysis, certainly, is following the lead of the majority of scientists. And I can understand that.

http://www.biocab.or..._timescale.html

"From the early Triassic to the middle Cretaceous, the concentration of atmospheric Carbon Dioxide was similar to its current density. From the late cretaceous to the early Miocene, the concentration climbed above 210 ppmV. During the Holocene period, the concentration has oscillated from 210 ppmV to 385 ppmV.

It is possible that the concentration of atmospheric CO2 will increase normally in the course of the next 50 million years to 1050 ppmV or 2500 ppmV."

NASA's chart only went back some 400,000 years, which does not include the bigger cycles over millions of years. I've seen many, many papers on climate change over longer periods and my feeling, granted as a complete layman, yet well-read, is that what's happening is mostly natural and there's not really anything we can do about it.

Also, as many of these papers state - flora grows much better, faster and bigger in CO2-rich environments. I've also seen other papers that claim that CO2 is not such an energy-trapper as has been stated. It's one of the reasons the dinosaurs could grow so big - plenty of food for herbivores, which also means plenty of food for omnivores and carnivores. Warming won't necessarily be a bad thing for the planet, although us puny humans with water-front property may not like some of the changes.

Your proclivity to put forward arguments of dubious validity, beat your chest and proclaim how well read you are, then disappear at the first whiff of a debate only to reappear sometime later with those same dubious beliefs intact is...

...wait, I know there's a word for this...

...that's it!! ...

Pinkpossumesque!!

 

[thorsten]

Along with Wind and Nuclear we could pretty much operate without burning fossil fuels, all it requires is the political motivation.

I went back to my home country this year for the first time since over 5 years and I was surprised how much actually changed in terms of energy: you can see wind turbines across the whole country and a lot of roofs are equipped with solar panels nowadays. This was basically caused by a strong political support for renewable energies, including various forms of subsidies (guaranteed prices for energy feed-ins, special credits for equipping homes with solar panels, etc). While I remember the discussions of all the problems of renewable energies and that it won't succeed 10 years ago, nowadays 30% of electricity consumed in Germany is produced by renewable energy sources.
We probably won't see a situation where all energy comes from renewable sources in the near future, but being able to use these technologies to cover a significant part of the total energy demand is the right way to go in my book.

 

[splattermatter]

Buenos Aires will be under some form of Martial Law by 2030...I see violent crime becoming much much more common and in the open...I see residents with weapons guarding their blocks... This is all after the coming energy crisis...

 

[johnw100]

Buenos Aires will be under some form of Martial Law by 2030...I see violent crime becoming much much more common and in the open...I see residents with weapons guarding their blocks... This is all after the coming energy crisis...

So pretty much like the United States is today?

 

[LeoNubarron]

Silly, MIT and the like is whats needed, not manufacturing and pipe dream installations.

those morons should really stop wasting thier studnets time on that. btw MIT are not super genouses, i know from exprince that there just decent or a bit better overall.

 

[LeoNubarron]

I went back to my home country this year for the first time since over 5 years and I was surprised how much actually changed in terms of energy: you can see wind turbines across the whole country and a lot of roofs are equipped with solar panels nowadays. This was basically caused by a strong political support for renewable energies, including various forms of subsidies (guaranteed prices for energy feed-ins, special credits for equipping homes with solar panels, etc). While I remember the discussions of all the problems of renewable energies and that it won't succeed 10 years ago, nowadays 30% of electricity consumed in Germany is produced by renewable energy sources.
We probably won't see a situation where all energy comes from renewable sources in the near future, but being able to use these technologies to cover a significant part of the total energy demand is the right way to go in my book.

no, it was 30 % from one time and the rest it is less then 1%. secondly germany is the coutnry where electricty is from the highest in the modern world thanks to the non energy non-sense

 

[LeoNubarron]

Damn that's good to know. I'm sending a memo off to MIT right now so they stop wasting time on solar. Thanks.

secondly why do u assume that if they do it in MIT it makes it into a good idea? im sorry to say this to any Bostonians but most ideas for tech came from MIT's arch rival Caltech. why? because they dont fall to bullshit ideas about make belif warming and religous like doomsday warnings.

 

[camberiu]

This article from Spiegel shows how expensive and inefficient solar power can be.

Germany's Energy Poverty: How Electricity Became a Luxury Good

"Today, more than 300,000 households a year are seeing their power shut off because of unpaid bills. Caritas and other charity groups call it "energy poverty."

"It is only gradually becoming apparent how the renewable energy subsidies redistribute money from the poor to the more affluent, like when someone living in small rental apartment subsidizes a homeowner's roof-mounted solar panels through his electricity bill. "

"Germany's renewable energy policy is particularly unfair with respect to the economy. About 2,300 businesses have managed to largely exempt themselves from the green energy surcharge by claiming, often with little justification, that they face tough international competition. Companies with less lobbying power, however, are required to pay the surcharge."

 

[Dublin2BuenosAires]

those morons should really stop wasting thier studnets time on that. btw MIT are not super genouses, i know from exprince that there just decent or a bit better overall.

Sometimes the gags just write themselves....

 

[ARbound]

Rolling blackouts, robberies, inflation, and dollars being hoarded like medicine for a plague.

Oh wait, that's BA today.