Immigration changes: Health, Education, Deportation

[steveinbsas]

I had a 2-year absence during COVID and a few one-year absences mixed in the 10 years I've had permanent residency.

I wonder if there is real enforcement, will they just refuse to renew the DNI, make you enter as a tourist, or will it turn out like the USA is at the moment, where they pull you off the street or out of your home to deport you.

What anyone with permanent residency did in the past won't matter, but going forward, depending on the conditions of the decree as it implemented, I think those with permanent residency should not leave Argentina for more than one year and that individuales who were granted temporary residency less than six months ago should stay in the country until they surpass the six month mark, at least for the time being.

If they already left and returned and still can accumulate a total of six months in Argentina prior to thier renewal date, they might (and hopefully will) be OK, but who can know for sure until they have (or someone else already has) tried to renew their temporary residency?

I do wonder will happen if the renewal is denied. I don't think the foreigner will be arrested at migraciones and deported as soon as possible, but that the foreigner could be told to leave the country on or before the expiration date of their temporary residency.

 

[sergio]

Milei clamps down on immigration to ‘make Argentina great again’

Argentina has long welcomed immigrants with relatively open arms, even offering free healthcare and education to foreign residents. But Milei’s government wants to reverse that.

www.batimes.com.ar

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Thanks Steve.

My concern is what that means for partners/spouses, which isn’t mentioned here. But I imagine that it would fall under the same category.

Also, what exactly will the temporary residency entail in such circumstances, and how quickly could it be made permanent after the additional checks?

I guess it’s all up in the air at the moment. Hopefully it takes a while to, or indeed doesn’t, pass and so it doesn’t become an issue.

The idea behind this proyect is to abolish legal residency and citizenship for poors because the 2 years clause is for the villanage, to have children or spouse is for the proletarian class while rentista and inversionista are for nobility and high class so, Milei wants to revival a regime of nobility that exclude most of you.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Based on the information in this article (dated today),..

https://www.infobae.com/politica/20...etra-chica-de-la-reforma-migratoria-de-milei/


...the decree will be signed on Wednesday.

I assume that's a week from today and it's terms/conditions will be implemented as soon as possible. I imagine that enforcing new condiciones at the borders (such as proof of health insurance) will be among the first. Denying entry for recent and/or repeated overstays could also be more likely.

Hopefully, you will already be in the migraciones system snd have some kind of "immunity" from being denied reentry, but I think it would be a good idea to consult a lawyer who would be able to get to the airport with a judge's order in hand before you are put back on the plane and sent back to where you came from.

PS:Ask the lawyer if it's better to fly to Uruguay and come to Argentina by bus, rather than flying into Argentina.

It is better to cancel the trip.

 

[Konner_Long]

Just today I have submitted all my documents (requested supplementary documentation such as payslips etc) to the Argentinian consulate for PR through marriage, hopefully I get the interview soon/in this next week as well.

What would the suggested route be in my case? Stay in the country for 1 year minimum uninterrupted?

 

[steveinbsas]

What would the suggested route be in my case? Stay in the country for 1 year minimum uninterrupted?

Staying in the country for one year interrupted should not be necessary. As soon as you have permanent residency you should be able to come and go as you desire.

Just be sure not to stay out of the country for more than one year (or for whatever length of time the new requirements stipulate).

Meanwhile, you can hope that the new requirements, if they apply in your case, do not stipulate that one or two years uninterrpted presence in the country is required for the cambio de categoría to permanent residency.

 

[whattodo]

Just today I have submitted all my documents (requested supplementary documentation such as payslips etc) to the Argentinian consulate for PR through marriage, hopefully I get the interview soon/in this next week as well.

What would the suggested route be in my case? Stay in the country for 1 year minimum uninterrupted?

Through RADEX I imagine? I understand that they email you pretty much immediately with a temporary precaria and your interview date. And as @steveinbsas
said, there are no more regulations with regard to receiving the PR this way, but rather keeping it in future.

Could you please kindly let us know when your date is? I’m trying to get a feel for how long you must typically wait for said interview. I’ll be sending all documents away on June 3rd and leave the country a June 11th.

I am hoping that; with a preferential turno, I can get seen in that window. Thanks!

 

[steveinbsas]

And as @steveinbsas
said, there are no more regulations with regard to receiving the PR this way, but rather keeping it in future.

I don't know where I actually said this, but I was incorrect when I wrote that, according to the new requirements, two years physical presence would be required to obtain permanent residency. It looks like that would only apply to citizenship.

Nonetheless, based on the translation of a quote, which appeared in post #17, of this thread:

"The requirements for permanent residency will be further strengthened. This will be granted automatically only to children of Argentine parents."

The statement doesn't make sense to me. Why would the child of Argentine parents ever need permanent residency? They would automatically be citizens. Perhaps the intended meaning is that permanent residency would only be granted to foreigners who are the parents of children born in Argentina.

I drew the conclusion from the full quote that only temporary residency would be granted to foreigners who are married to or have a civil union with an Argentine citizen:


The requirements for permanent residency will be further strengthened. This will be granted automatically only to children of Argentine parents. Parents will be placed under the temporary residency regime. If they later prove roots, sufficient financial means (this will be precisely determined in the regulations), and a clean criminal record, they are eligible to become permanent resident."

Perhaps Google translation changed the meaning of the orriginal quote in Spanish which, in the translation, should have been "parents of Argentine children" instead of "children of Argentine parents."

 

[whattodo]

I don't know where I actually said this, but I was incorrect when I wrote that, according to the new requirements, two years physical presence would be required to obtain permanent residency. It looks like that would only apply to citizenship.

Nonetheless, based on the translation of a quote, which appeared in post #17, of this thread:

"The requirements for permanent residency will be further strengthened. This will be granted automatically only to children of Argentine parents."

The statement doesn't make sense to me. Why would the child of Argentine parents ever need permanent residency? They would automatically be citizens. Perhaps the intended meaning is that permanent residency would only be granted to foreigners who are the parents of children born in Argentina.

I drew the conclusion from the full quote that only temporary residency would be granted to foreigners who are married to or have a civil union with an Argentine citizen:


The requirements for permanent residency will be further strengthened. This will be granted automatically only to children of Argentine parents. Parents will be placed under the temporary residency regime. If they later prove roots, sufficient financial means (this will be precisely determined in the regulations), and a clean criminal record, they are eligible to become permanent resident."

Perhaps Google translation changed the meaning of the orriginal quote in Spanish which, in the translation, should have been "parents of Argentine children" instead of "children of Argentine parents."

Yes Steve, agreed, I too understand it the same. As follows:

• You’ll need two (completely?) uninterrupted and of course documented years for citizenship

• You won’t ‘automatically’ get permanent residency as a spouse or parent anymore, but will have to show sufficient ties, means and a clean record

But as I said previously, the ability to demonstrate a clean record and ‘ingreso regular’ are already listed as requirements when applying for permanent residency. Although from what I understand, evidence of the ‘ingreso regular’ isn’t typically asked for at the moment. With regard to ties, I would like to think that having a spouse or family member here would be a demonstration of exactly that also.

As such, I am hoping that much of it is fluff talk regarding the ‘stricter’ permanent residency requirements. It certainly reads like that to me. Worst case, Migraciones ask for more documentation - which they already warn that they might - and things just take a little longer.

I read an article today (perhaps it was on here) about the things that have already been pushed through. Pretty much all targeting criminals. So, again, hoping things aren’t as bad as I first feared!

 

[desde_Holanda]

Yes Steve, agreed, I too understand it the same. As follows:

• You’ll need two (completely?) uninterrupted and of course documented years for citizenship

• You won’t ‘automatically’ get permanent residency as a spouse or parent anymore, but will have to show sufficient ties, means and a clean record

But as I said previously, the ability to demonstrate a clean record and ‘ingreso regular’ are already listed as requirements when applying for permanent residency. Although from what I understand, evidence of the ‘ingreso regular’ isn’t typically asked for at the moment. With regard to ties, I would like to think that having a spouse or family member here would be a demonstration of exactly that also.

As such, I am hoping that much of it is fluff talk regarding the ‘stricter’ permanent residency requirements. It certainly reads like that to me. Worst case, Migraciones ask for more documentation - which they already warn that they might - and things just take a little longer.

I read an article today (perhaps it was on here) about the things that have already been pushed through. Pretty much all targeting criminals. So, again, hoping things aren’t as bad as I first feared!

For other visas than the one based on marriage with an Argentine citizen, the 'ingreso regular' is already in place. My (Argentine) partner views the new measures to be aimed at serving the right wing voters, who are primarily negative about the influx of immigrants from countries as Bolivia and Peru. Typically, immigrants from those countries will have problems proving sufficient means.