Milei’s fiscal shock has changed Argentina’s destiny

Currency stability is a big one, the peso has been around 1400-1500 for a long time now. I remember with Alberto it had a 50% devaluation in a month in the winter of 2022, that's no way for people to live. There's been decades of mismanagement, folks gotta take the medicine if we want Argentina to prosper again.
I'm not convinced that Milei & Co. know anything about real economic and fiscal reform and are even interested in changing things to the point that they themselves are not corrupt and they decide that they are more for the country than themselves. Everything they are doing is cosmetic and superficial and depends on flows of money from the IMF and the US to stabilize the peso. There may come a time when the flows of money from the IMF and the US will stop, and everyone will see that the emperor has no clothes.

P.S. No Argentine government in recent memory has had any real interest in deep, profound economic and fiscal reform that could maybe change for the better for all Argentines.
 
I'm not convinced that Milei & Co. know anything about real economic and fiscal reform and are even interested in changing things to the point that they themselves are not corrupt and they decide that they are more for the country than themselves. Everything they are doing is cosmetic and superficial and depends on flows of money from the IMF and the US to stabilize the peso. There may come a time when the flows of money from the IMF and the US will stop, and everyone will see that the emperor has no clothes.

P.S. No Argentine government in recent memory has had any real interest in deep, profound economic and fiscal reform that could maybe change for the better for all Argentines.
If you aren’t convinced they know what they are doing then that means that you know of a better plan? Would be interesting to hear that and why you believe everything they are doing is cosmetic and superficial in more depth
 
If you aren’t convinced they know what they are doing then that means that you know of a better plan? Would be interesting to hear that and why you believe everything they are doing is cosmetic and superficial in more depth
For example, closing government agencies that he doesn't like and firing government employees is not economic reform. This is a band-aid that might be of short-term benefit in reducing government spending but does not really address in long-term, deep, lasting terms the way government works for the country as a whole. Also, the new labor reform legislation is not economic reform - by any stretch of the imagination.

I think their fiscal and monetary policy is simply to depend on IMF and U.S. monies. Stopping the central bank from printing more pesos is not a monetary policy that is viable in the medium or long-term.

Like in Trump's cabinent/government, no one in Milei's cabinet/government is an expert in anything.

Shock doctrines espoused by the IMF, Trump, Milei, etc. simply don't work and never have if you are really intending to make significant, lasting reforms.
 
For example, closing government agencies that he doesn't like and firing government employees is not economic reform. This is a band-aid that might be of short-term benefit in reducing government spending but does not really address in long-term, deep, lasting terms the way government works for the country as a whole. Also, the new labor reform legislation is not economic reform - by any stretch of the imagination.

I think their fiscal and monetary policy is simply to depend on IMF and U.S. monies. Stopping the central bank from printing more pesos is not a monetary policy that is viable in the medium or long-term.

Like in Trump's cabinent/government, no one in Milei's cabinet/government is an expert in anything.

Shock doctrines espoused by the IMF, Trump, Milei, etc. simply don't work and never have if you are really intending to make significant, lasting reforms.
ok so what would be the top three most impactful changes you would make and how would you do them?
 
Adorno is nothing more than a hypocritical smirking troll, with multiple family members suckling at the teat of the Argentinian state, he personifies the “quitate tú pa’ ponerme yo” morals of Milei and his entourage. Remember “move fast and take things”.
 
ok so what would be the top three most impactful changes you would make and how would you do them?
Conversely, what are the three changes that Milei & Co. have put in place / want to put in place that you think will have / are having the most impact for the long-term benefit of the Argentine economy as whole?
 
yeah it has become more "expensive" but if you compare that to an artificially low reference point (that was destroying a country) then you will always end up disappointed that your free arbitrage has ended.

The vote was definitely a strong suggestion the public understand that the past decades of destruction will take a long time to recover from and I just hope it improves quickly but reality is its a long arduous process.

As you said in brackets "destroying the country", the deal that was before was literally the government subsidizing for spenders in Argentina by propping the official rate so much.

The fact that all the normal exchange rates are effectively the same suggests it is more fairly priced, whether one likes it or not.
 
Grocery stores are to be avoided for specific items but people are lazy and want to buy everything in one place. Eg 1 kilo of pollo de campo is 14,000 in a butcher and in supermarket normal basic chicken is almost 20,000 per kilo. There are many cases of over priced stuff in supermarkets but people dont try to shop elsewhere
Agree about supermarket in general.

The price you are suggesting I assume is a BA price, and that is is around double what it is in the internal of the country. I think I can get chicken breast (pechuga) for 7500 pesos/kg at a chicken shop in the market, in supermarkets or kioskos it will be maybe 10-11,000/ kilo I think. I can check next time I'm out.
The prices in general I think are a lot more expensive in BA for some reason. It seems like its more the businesses keep pushing it and people keep paying it and therefore that is the price.
 
Conversely, what are the three changes that Milei & Co. have put in place / want to put in place that you think will have / are having the most impact for the long-term benefit of the Argentine economy as whole?

1) Balancing the budget has had the following results:
a) reduced inflation
b) reduce country risk which is a quantifiable value of external support for the country which has allowed for:
i) public both federal and provincial and municipal debt offerings on international market at lower rates
ii) private debt offerings at lower rates externally
c) increasing likelihood of foreign company investment in large scale projects (This allow is a benefit of them passing RIGI as a law)
d) force the population to realize true costs for delivering services by removing most the subsidies (a government that cannot afford shouldn't be subsidizing everything for everyone)

2) The benefits of 1) had allowed for the return of a domestic credit market. Mortgages were being reintroduced and other credit to smaller businesses and individuals. This stopped at the end of July when the political attacks started and risk took over the markets. The impact of an internal credit market cannot be understated to eventually facilitate cheaper operating costs.

3) Reducing administration, bureaucracy and making the government more efficient + opening the borders. This allowed companies to import what was required for them to function. Things not available in Argentina. If you needed John Deere, Caterpillar, or other OEM parts, either you were limited or unable to import and it could still take a long time for it to actually make its way through the process to be cleared. This had some benefits, but for some industries it just hurt productivity and introduced higher costs. These industries also directly benefit the state, so it really made no sense to hinder them but they did.

4) Passing the RIGI investment scheme as law rather than approving and making agreements for individual projects makes it stronger and more likely companies are willing to invest.

5) I think in general the opening of the economy and removal of protectionist policies is the way to go. People are suffering an affordability crisis and having taxes and tariffs to support industry just makes the population finance the few businessman owners and subsidize few jobs at the expense of their fellow citizens. They don't have that luxury right now. This is a part of the economy adjusting. People will likely need to relocate to where the new jobs are.

6) For many Argentinian he is providing hope that things will actually change and break from the cycle. I don't think this can be understated, and it might be something that many of us can't understand or appreciate as we haven't been subject to the impacts of historical governance.

7) For Argentinian professionals and others that have accumulated some wealth, the reduction in the personal asset taxes is something they are very happy about. You have already paid income tax on the money, and you pay IVA whenever you spend it. The Asset tax regardless of what level was charged to them, hey felt is not fair.

8) Not providing health care and education to non permanent residents. These are costs that the individuals should be paying for not the state and allows the state to both reduce expenses and increase spend on their citizenry, infrastructure or pay down/finance debt.
 
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