Milei's Omnibus Law

[FrankPintor]

I didn't know that. Anyway if the people protesting in the streets takeover the country again Argentina is doomed

Yes, really, an awful lot of shale oil and gas from the Vaca Muerta deposit. I understand that more than a little of the expertise came from ex PDVSA petroleum engineers who left Venezuela after Chavez fired 18000 employees in 2002 or so.

PDVSA, on the other hand, has been lumped with unqualified employees, ageing and unrepairable refineries, and possibly the largest oil reserves on the planet, but of extra heavy crude in the Orinoco Belt which I think will never see the light of day (and we should probably be glad of that).

 

[Stantucker]

And let's not forget about all the money that he gave away. Yet how did he cover that, with more printing of pesos. Of course that causes inflation on down the road.

 

[Quilombo]

My favorite part of "liberty advancing" is the handover of the electoral system to the caste that this bill seeks to enable.

He wants a First Past the Post system like in the US, which has entrenched two party rule since inception. He accused the Peronists of being occupied with "woke" non-issues, yet this is just the far right version: the economy is in meltdown, and he wants a fight over the D'Hondt Method?

I'm not surprised because as I have continuously said, he's just a right wing populist that pretends to be an economic technocrat, but so many of his priorities are out of whack with the real issues the country is facing that I thought he'd at least wait to stabilize things before wasting political capital on the far right pet projects, but apparently not.

How is this different than the Ks being asleep at the wheel in October while talking about things like a Media Law or new DNI design? The priorities are so distant from reality for the average Argentine it'd be laughable if it wasn't so absurd

 

[SinPulgas]

And, of course, none of the current inflation has anything to do with all the "precios
reprimidos" established by the previous govt in large part to win the election.

Why don't you be consistent and tell the whole story of why we have the current
inflation that we have. And, of course, that includes, in addition to Alberto and Cristina, Macri, but also Cristina that left a fiscal deficit of 5.5 % of GDP and Néstor, who started with a fiscal surplus and record prices for crops and never made the fundamental changes necessary to right this ship.

You're wasting your time, Stan.

 

[antipodean]

Arbitrary restrictions on the gathering of 3 or more people? What exactly does it restrict arbitrarily?

So sorry to hear you don't like black robes on judges. While many aspects of this law definitely warrant free and fair democratic debate in Congress and there are probably some very important points lacking (e.g. anti-trust law), you do realize most of the laws being repealed come from past Argentine dictatorship(s), right? It seems the fascists on this board (and the streets) really come out to shine once their decades-old privileges are threatened and they will have to start living by the same rules as everyone else and paying the real cost of their lifestyle at their own expense.

It is worth reminding people that thanks to decades of poor policy and oppressive laws (that seeks to put the state at the center of both society and economy in true fascist and authoritarian design of yesteryear) Argentina today is considered a "mostly unfree" economy. With a score of just 51, it is currently sitting alongside Uganda, Belarus, Tajikistan and Laos. If it drops below 50, it gets labled a "repressed" economy, alongside Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Sudan, Eritrea, Zimbabwe et al (hint, countries that have pretty miserable standards of living for the vast majority of their people). To reach to "lower" level of a European economy (like Hungary, Kosovo or Italy) it would need to "free up" its economy to achieve a score somewhere between 60 and 70 and if it wants to be in top league (like Sweden, Norway, Finland, Chile, Uruguay, Korea, Ireland etc) it needs to be scoring 70+. It is not a casual coincidence that standards of living in a country, for the most part, correspond to its level of economic freedom, and the much idealized Nordic countries in terms of standards of living have some of the highest economic freedom scores on earth, and it is also no coincidence that their laws that are pretty similar to what Milei's state reform package is also proposing.

I think most US people who are against these laws because simply because they bare a "resemblance" to the US system and they are somehow "traumatized" by their own country, would be utterly shocked to know what a "socialist" Swedish rental contract or tenancy law looks like, for example. Or that despite having some of the strongest freedom of speech laws, a formal permit from the police is required just to protest in a public place which can be rejected if the police feel it will disrupt the public order - and don't even think about blocking traffic or covering your face at a protest. Oh, and it also has involuntary psychiatric care for the "insane".

Fact of the matter is that the legal framework of Argentina needs to change if it is to improve. Simply pointing to "better" off countries on the map and hoping some local manufacturing, oil sales or new taxes on the oglis will get us there (and ignoring the rest of the world and printing pesos when it doesn't) just does not work. Improvement does not mean looking identical to USA, or to Sweden, but having the same basic legal framework to facilitate a free economy in which living standards can eventually improve for more people, beyond what they are today.

 

[HenryNisental]

These new laws should have been made 40,50 or maybe 80 years ago, then Argentina would have been another Canada, Australia, or maybe even better. It must be noted that these "new" laws already exist in most of the free world countries, they are only adapted copies from those countries, something that nobody question at all.

 

[Ange]

I can’t see anything extreme in this DNU. It is Argentina’s current over regulated and clunky framework that is extreme.

The common denominator in much of the arguments against is fear. Fear of change, fear of losing privileges, fear of the violent reaction of those resisting change. And of course the common trope/convenient excuse that somehow Argentina is an exceptional country therefore what works everywhere else cannot never be applied here.

 

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Mostly on here fear from expats losing their state subsided high standard of living.

 

[SinPulgas]

Mostly on here fear from expats losing their state subsided high standard of living.

From reading all your comments here, I'm guessing that you're joking, or at least you don't think of things that way for yourself.

I've always felt, and said, that I'd be much happier being poorer, even much poorer, to see the Argentines doing better, living better. That trade-off would improve my quality of life.

 

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

From reading all your comments here, I'm guessing that you're joking, or at least you don't think of things that way for yourself.

I've always felt, and said, that I'd be much happier being poorer, even much poorer, to see the Argentines doing better, living better. That trade-off would improve my quality of life.

I’m not afraid of losing my state subsidised standard of living no.