Milei's Omnibus Law

[sts7049]

i couldn't care less about expats. i want what is best for thr country

 

[FrankPintor]

You're wasting your time, Stan.

If you mean he’s not making headway against reasoned argument, I guess I agree with you

 

[FrankPintor]

Mostly on here fear from expats losing their state subsided high standard of living.

My job depends on Argentinians having enough disposable income to buy mobile phone services. My personal interests align with a well-off Argentina, though we can disagree on how to achieve that. I share @Quilombo’s well expressed reservations about the proposals and DNUs to date. At least a part of Milei’s program seems to prioritise a rollback to dictatorship era laws.

 

[sergio]

And, of course, none of the current inflation has anything to do with all the "precios
reprimidos" established by the previous govt in large part to win the election.

Why don't you be consistent and tell the whole story of why we have the current
inflation that we have. And, of course, that includes, in addition to Alberto and Cristina, Macri, but also Cristina that left a fiscal deficit of 5.5 % of GDP and Néstor, who started with a fiscal surplus and record prices for crops and never made the fundamental changes necessary to right this ship.

I don't know if Milei is on the right track. Time will tell but what I am sure about is that the country was in a grave crisis prior to Milei's election. One thing that Milei has said that I do believe to be true is that there is no more money. The only money is what the government prints up - and we know what that results in. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes and I doubt that anyone on this site knows. What should be apparent to everyone is that the situation under the pervious government was disastrous to the lives of most Argentines. As a result they voted for major change. if they were wrong, what is the solution? Return to the status quo? Wishing for Milei's defeat will not help.

 

[FrankPintor]

I don't know if Milei is on the right track. Time will tell but what I am sure about is that the country was in a grave crisis prior to Milei's election. One thing that Milei has said that I do believe to be true is that there is no more money. The only money is what the government prints up - and we know what that results in. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes and I doubt that anyone on this site knows. What should be apparent to everyone is that the situation under the pervious government was disastrous to the lives of most Argentines. As a result they voted for major change. if they were wrong, what is the solution? Return to the status quo? Wishing for Milei's defeat will not help.

A few expats wishing for anything will make no difference at all it is a pity, though, that a ticket to root out corruption, without all the chainsaw theatrics and dictatorship apologism.

 

[sergio]

Arbitrary restrictions on the gathering of 3 or more people? What exactly does it restrict arbitrarily?

So sorry to hear you don't like black robes on judges. While many aspects of this law definitely warrant free and fair democratic debate in Congress and there are probably some very important points lacking (e.g. anti-trust law), you do realize most of the laws being repealed come from past Argentine dictatorship(s), right? It seems the fascists on this board (and the streets) really come out to shine once their decades-old privileges are threatened and they will have to start living by the same rules as everyone else and paying the real cost of their lifestyle at their own expense.

It is worth reminding people that thanks to decades of poor policy and oppressive laws (that seeks to put the state at the center of both society and economy in true fascist and authoritarian design of yesteryear) Argentina today is considered a "mostly unfree" economy. With a score of just 51, it is currently sitting alongside Uganda, Belarus, Tajikistan and Laos. If it drops below 50, it gets labled a "repressed" economy, alongside Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Sudan, Eritrea, Zimbabwe et al (hint, countries that have pretty miserable standards of living for the vast majority of their people). To reach to "lower" level of a European economy (like Hungary, Kosovo or Italy) it would need to "free up" its economy to achieve a score somewhere between 60 and 70 and if it wants to be in top league (like Sweden, Norway, Finland, Chile, Uruguay, Korea, Ireland etc) it needs to be scoring 70+. It is not a casual coincidence that standards of living in a country, for the most part, correspond to its level of economic freedom, and the much idealized Nordic countries in terms of standards of living have some of the highest economic freedom scores on earth, and it is also no coincidence that their laws that are pretty similar to what Milei's state reform package is also proposing.

I think most US people who are against these laws because simply because they bare a "resemblance" to the US system and they are somehow "traumatized" by their own country, would be utterly shocked to know what a "socialist" Swedish rental contract or tenancy law looks like, for example. Or that despite having some of the strongest freedom of speech laws, a formal permit from the police is required just to protest in a public place which can be rejected if the police feel it will disrupt the public order - and don't even think about blocking traffic or covering your face at a protest. Oh, and it also has involuntary psychiatric care for the "insane".

Fact of the matter is that the legal framework of Argentina needs to change if it is to improve. Simply pointing to "better" off countries on the map and hoping some local manufacturing, oil sales or new taxes on the oglis will get us there (and ignoring the rest of the world and printing pesos when it doesn't) just does not work. Improvement does not mean looking identical to USA, or to Sweden, but having the same basic legal framework to facilitate a free economy in which living standards can eventually improve for more people, beyond what they are today.

You are correct. And I would point out that the Nordic countries which are admired for their 'socialism' are in fact very capitalist. They could not possibly afford developed social welfare systems without working capitalist economies. The irony is that some expats from the US have made money or inherited money through the capitalist system but they don't seem to want Argentines to have the same opportunities. Sustaining the Peronist system is a guarantee of disaster. Whether Milei can make genuine reforms remains to be seen but reverting to the previous government is a guarantee of failure and ultimate ruin.

 

[sergio]

A few expats wishing for anything will make no difference at all it is a pity, though, that a ticket to root out corruption, without all the chainsaw theatrics and dictatorship apologism.

The theatrics were to make a point and win votes. That was always obvious. Dioctatorship apologism? We shall see ....

 

[Ange]

A few expats wishing for anything will make no difference at all it is a pity, though, that a ticket to root out corruption, without all the chainsaw theatrics and dictatorship apologism.

55% of Argentines democratic votes...
I don’t particularly like milei but I certainly respect and support Argentinians majority vote for change.

 

[SinPulgas]

If you mean he’s not making headway against reasoned argument, I guess I agree with you

Frank, I enjoy your posts, but when it comes to this subject, I'm not expecting to see any reasoned arguments from you.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Milei is the answer if he fails Argentina will be Venezuela without oil

Hellooooooooooo, there is something called Vaca Muerta,,,,