No Women's Lib In Ba??

[Gringoboy]

It is the law. The same at bus, the first line.

Please state which law this is.
Social or actual?
Would I be prosecuted for not giving up my seat in a bus or not ceding to a pregnant woman in a supermarket?

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Please state which law this is.
Social or actual?
Would I be prosecuted for not giving up my seat in a bus or not ceding to a pregnant woman in a supermarket?

You would sentenced to a month of public service under La Cámpora.

 

[jp]

I yet have to find a feminist man, that would be interesting.

Do you consider men who believe in equal opportunities and support women's reproductive rights to be feminists? If so, there are a few of us about...

 

[fifs2]

So many pointed posts noting the effort of birthing a water melon from a walnut sized hole but nothing about the reality of giving birth as being a uniquely celestial moment in human body form. It's like women want to hide the great wonderof giving birth behind the myth of the greatest painful sacrifice ever made. Giving birth was singularly the most amazing experience in my life (twice) and I genuinely feel sorry that no man can experience said moment of meeting the living being you have incubated for 9 months. Yes you can be there during pregnancyand birth but to live and experience such is unexplainable. Ditto I loved being pregnant as I dashed around in heels feeling like sexy mother earth in Manolo Blahniks. I appreciate not every pregnancy is the same. I had a friend hospitalized for 4 months due to morning sickness but boy do I hate women martyring themselves for something that women all over the world take in their stride as they continue to work in the fields, factories etc. As Ghost says, it is (for most) not an illness.
Whilst in Bsas pregnant with son#2 I was mortified to be asked to step ahead in queues or take a seat on the subway when I was more than able to stand. That said I deeply appreciated the consideration and concern that showed a love for children and thereby the birthing mother.

 

[nikad]

Do you consider men who believe in equal opportunities and support women's reproductive rights to be feminists? If so, there are a few of us about...

no

 

[nikad]

This and your other quotes on this thread are the strangest things I've ever seen you write here. (I started to write more, but I couldn't say what I wanted to say in the way I wanted to say it.)

Anyway, I do understand your comments, especially the "ist" one. I know your feminist comments offended a few people, but I think there's a general misunderstanding about that word "feminist" (that's perhaps been at least partly cleared up). It certainly is interesting to see that feisty side of you.

You did forget to mention that they also have hairy legs and armpits and often have difficult-to-control facial hair.

But seriously, at least in the states, I think it's been many years since the word "feminist" lost its sharply pejorative sense (with most people; for some it never will -- Joe?).

I don't mind hairy armpits lol I just said that just so it would definitely and forever be the strangest you will hear from me. On a more serious note, I am all for equal rights and opportunities, I unfortunately had very negative experiences with local feminist women - such as one bragging on her Facebook: I just had an abortion and feel absolutely happy! - and things along those lines. I do not have American female friends, actually most my friends are men. I simply don't think that certain groups, whether they are women, gay, lesbian and ts, African American, etc should identify themselves with terms that in reality discriminate them per se. I am sorry if I offended anybody, it was not my intention.

 

[ElQueso]

So many pointed posts noting the effort of birthing a water melon from a walnut sized hole but nothing about the reality of giving birth as being a uniquely celestial moment in human body form. It's like women want to hide the great wonderof giving birth behind the myth of the greatest painful sacrifice ever made. Giving birth was singularly the most amazing experience in my life (twice) and I genuinely feel sorry that no man can experience said moment of meeting the living being you have incubated for 9 months. Yes you can be there during pregnancyand birth but to live and experience such is unexplainable. Ditto I loved being pregnant as I dashed around in heels feeling like sexy mother earth in Manolo Blahniks. I appreciate not every pregnancy is the same. I had a friend hospitalized for 4 months due to morning sickness but boy do I hate women martyring themselves for something that women all over the world take in their stride as they continue to work in the fields, factories etc. As Ghost says, it is (for most) not an illness.
Whilst in Bsas pregnant with son#2 I was mortified to be asked to step ahead in queues or take a seat on the subway when I was more than able to stand. That said I deeply appreciated the consideration and concern that showed a love for children and thereby the birthing mother.

Excellent point, as far as it goes

I only say that because, even before my ex-wife and I had three children via natural methods (two in our home and one in a birthing center attended only by midwives - with a hospital half a mile away), I felt it would be a horror to have an alien wiggling around in there and knowing where it was going to come out! Particularly when I saw the result from the outside, up close and personal, without any benefit of the good points of the experience that a woman has (not to mention the obvious ability to deal with and then forget pain that probably most men don't have). Not that it wasn't interesting from a clinical standpoint, fulfilling from an emotional standpoint watching my kids being born and participating myself...but forgive me women everywhere when I remembered, at least the first time, that little voice in the back of my head wondering if I'd ever have sex again in this life! I guess men have the ability to put some of their experiences behind them as well

I don't know very many men who would truly want to experience pregnancy and giving birth - I'm sure there are many, but a rather small percentage overall. And I think that's the general feeling that those who women "martyr" themselves on pregnancy specifically play upon when pointing that out.

Let's face it - we have millions of years of physical evolution and tens of thousands of years of social evolution to overcome when it comes to equality between the sexes. There are some deep-seated physical instincts (hunter/warrior versus gatherer/mother, the spreading of genetic variation, etc) directly related to the whole birthing/rearing thing that are possibly the most difficult and cultural issues that stem from the baggage we've carried with us in our infancy as a sapient race keep getting in the way.

I understand and sympathize with feminist activists even while not liking the attitudes that have spun off from that movement. In many places nowadays men are seen as walking, slobbering idiots who have to be taken care of by women for our own good, while in others men are still kings and women their servants with all the baggage that goes with it.

I open doors for women AND men (and children too!). I give my seat to anyone who looks like they need it more than I do, and I do give it up to women at any time - I'm a product of my own time (born in '62) and although I try hard to leave any atavism behind (I struggle to be fair every day of my life, sometimes to the good, sometimes not) I still give my seat up to a woman above all else

 

[mmoon]

Do you consider men who believe in equal opportunities and support women's reproductive rights to be feminists? If so, there are a few of us about...

yes!

 

[ghost]

Maybe half of them do have a pillow under their top. Allowing pregnant women, or elderly people or those that are challenged or disabled in some way has nothing to do with women's lib and has everything to so with humanity and compassion.

Did we change the subject from "Womens Lib" to humanity and compassion?

 

[nlaruccia]

Did we change the subject from "Womens Lib" to humanity and compassion?

No, but the comment you made about not allowing pregnant women go first in a line or allowing them to sit on the bus was incredibly cold and it turned the thread into one about human decency. Once you've had a baby, then you can talk about what it's like to be pregnant.