Record Number Of Americans Give Up Their Citizenship In 2014

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This is completely meaningless- 770 people, out of 319,000,000 is so few that its not even a rounding error.
More people decide to give up their US citizenship by killing themselves- probably an order of magnitude more.
More people are convinced the aliens have inspected their posteriors- again, tens of thousands more.
More people believe that Bigfoot is real.

This is not a significant trend- and it includes a lot of people who were born outside of the USA, and decided to go home, and it includes people who marry foreign citizens.

It proves nothing, and means nothing.
 
I can see why "shady" rich people do not want the government to waste their easy eared tax $. Both rich and poor have paid Uncle Sam too much. You can't feel good seeing all your hard earned $ got sucked in the back hole, and next year it comes back again, you can't catch a break. That's the main reason Americans have low savings. They can't catch a break with the income tax, prop tax and their mortgage. If you are a doctor and make 200k in CA, after all bills paid, you barely have enough to bring your family to Hawaii for a week. Many far east countries have low taxes, and people have much more saving. They might have a much lower paying job, but an average family can easily have 20k -50k us dollars in the saving. What about average American families ? They live from paycheck to paycheck.


Last year all liberal places like Berkeley voted No on increasing local taxes, NO on more schools and hospitals. Those things are nice, but tax payers have nothing to be milked, someone has to make a living and keep a a job unlike the dirty politicians(who bring up these tax bills every year) and government employees.

GarryL, all very good points but the people going so far to give up their citizenships are doing so because they have millions if not billions at stake in their hidden away Swiss bank accounts and probably living in chateaus in Monaco and Andorra!! Nothing to do with the average working folk, even a doctor.
 
GarryL, all very good points but the people going so far to give up their citizenships are doing so because they have millions if not billions at stake in their hidden away Swiss bank accounts and probably living in chateaus in Monaco and Andorra!! Nothing to do with the average working folk, even a doctor.

I don't think you really understand what FACTA is and the undue burden it puts on NORMAL US citizens living abroad, maybe even you.

I recommend looking at the PDF attachments at the following:

https://www.democratsabroad.org/group/fbarfatca/democrats-abroad-publishes-fatca-research-fatca-affecting-everyday-americans-every

Here's a highlight:

"These survey results show the intense impact FATCA is having on overseas Americans. Their financial accounts are being closed, their relationship with their non-American spouses are under strain, some Americans are being denied promotion or partnership in business because of FATCA reporting requirements and some are planning or contemplating renouncing their US citizenship. Some have already done so."

Assuming you are from the US, are you sure you are 100% in compliance with your FBAR reporting? No? You may be subject to a 10k USD fine even if you only have 50 mangos in your Argentine account.
 
This is completely meaningless- 770 people, out of 319,000,000 is so few that its not even a rounding error.

770 (in one quarter) is nothing. But if you know how compound interest works, you know why the trend is the problem. Grow it at 20% per year and the number gets bigger, quickly.
 
It's still a minuscule amount no matter how alarmist the headlines are.

And FWIW, I never found it particularly onerous to file my US taxes nor to do the paperwork required as a signatory on a foreign account. That is what accountants are for.
 
The 770 figure is absolutely false. 4 pieces of information should make it obvious:

1) Wait times can be up to a year in order to complete the renunciation process. Wait times would not be needed if only 770 people were renouncing

2) Renouncing is beginning to take up such a large proportion of embassy resources that the fee to renounce was raised 422% in one year ($2300). If a mere 700 people were renouncing the cost / benefit analysis to see if the fee needed to be raised would cost more than just leaving it where it was. In addition, there would be no reason to try to price people out of renouncing by making it unaffordable.

3) FBI statistics has stated the state department is clearly lying about their renunciation figures. The FBI has to also compile a list of renouncers which should only be a SUBSET of the list the state department compiles but somehow the subset continually lists more renunciations than the entire data set which the state department is supposed to list.

4) Other countries have statistics of their dual citizens who have renounced. One such country is south korea. Somehow the number of reported korean renouncers reported by the korean government is nearly the total of all renouncers as reported by the state department



As to why it is important? It is important because those who renounce are oftentimes the type of citizens the US wants to attract. Expelling these people will likely not serve US interest. Especially because after renouncing these people more than likely no longer function as ambassadors to the US whereas they would probably serve that function before. Just look at the mayor of london and he has not even fully renounced yet!
 
The 770 figure is absolutely false. 4 pieces of information should make it obvious:

1) Wait times can be up to a year in order to complete the renunciation process. Wait times would not be needed if only 770 people were renouncing

2) Renouncing is beginning to take up such a large proportion of embassy resources that the fee to renounce was raised 422% in one year ($2300). If a mere 700 people were renouncing the cost / benefit analysis to see if the fee needed to be raised would cost more than just leaving it where it was. In addition, there would be no reason to try to price people out of renouncing by making it unaffordable.

3) FBI statistics has stated the state department is clearly lying about their renunciation figures. The FBI has to also compile a list of renouncers which should only be a SUBSET of the list the state department compiles but somehow the subset continually lists more renunciations than the entire data set which the state department is supposed to list.

4) Other countries have statistics of their dual citizens who have renounced. One such country is south korea. Somehow the number of reported korean renouncers reported by the korean government is nearly the total of all renouncers as reported by the state department



As to why it is important? It is important because those who renounce are oftentimes the type of citizens the US wants to attract. Expelling these people will likely not serve US interest. Especially because after renouncing these people more than likely no longer function as ambassadors to the US whereas they would probably serve that function before. Just look at the mayor of london and he has not even fully renounced yet!

Do you have any evidence to back up your post ?
 
For every one that renounces, there's probably hundreds of rich/wealthy people willing to take on American citizenship. It's not really a concerning trend... it's just some individuals doing whatever is best for their particular situation.

I'm actually surprised the number isn't higher. I have a cousin that lives in Canada, never lived a day in the US, but her mother is American and she holds an American passport, and every year she has to report to the IRS. If she renounces, it would be pretty understandable, especially if she doesn't meet the exception requirements.
 
The 770 figure is absolutely false. 4 pieces of information should make it obvious:

1) Wait times can be up to a year in order to complete the renunciation process. Wait times would not be needed if only 770 people were renouncing

2) Renouncing is beginning to take up such a large proportion of embassy resources that the fee to renounce was raised 422% in one year ($2300). If a mere 700 people were renouncing the cost / benefit analysis to see if the fee needed to be raised would cost more than just leaving it where it was. In addition, there would be no reason to try to price people out of renouncing by making it unaffordable.

3) FBI statistics has stated the state department is clearly lying about their renunciation figures. The FBI has to also compile a list of renouncers which should only be a SUBSET of the list the state department compiles but somehow the subset continually lists more renunciations than the entire data set which the state department is supposed to list.

4) Other countries have statistics of their dual citizens who have renounced. One such country is south korea. Somehow the number of reported korean renouncers reported by the korean government is nearly the total of all renouncers as reported by the state department



As to why it is important? It is important because those who renounce are oftentimes the type of citizens the US wants to attract. Expelling these people will likely not serve US interest. Especially because after renouncing these people more than likely no longer function as ambassadors to the US whereas they would probably serve that function before. Just look at the mayor of london and he has not even fully renounced yet!

None of these wild speculations "prove" anything.
The fact is, every year, hundreds of thousands of people would immigrate to the USA if they were allowed to.
Even if the 770 number is wrong, its still only a few thousand people per year that renounce.
A tiny fraction of these are Mosquito Coast type anti tax conspiracy nuts- and the rest are mainly two categories-
1- American citizens who marry foreign nationals, move abroad, and want to fully become citizens of their spouses countries
2- People who have immigrated to the USA, and decided they didnt like it, and return home.
Historically, both of these instances have always happened.

In fact, historically, it was more like 5% to 10% of all immigrants to the USA that returned home- including Irish, Italians, Greeks, Finns, and, of course, Mexicans.
Many, many mexicans and other central americans work for 20 or 30 years in the USA, building homes brick by brick back home in Mexico, and, when they retire, return to Mexico, where its much cheaper, and they already have a house.
This accounts for a lot of these renunciations- they become US citizens, because, obviously, its so much easier to function in the USA as a citizen, but they still return home and have always been Mexican.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/next-america/policy/why-immigrants-boomerang-to-mexico-20140117
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/05/14/US-Educated-Immigrants-Return-to-Their-Homelands

if you do any googling at all on this subject, you find that there were times in US history when 50% or more of immigrants returned to their home countries.

Using the logic of some posters above, regarding rate of Increase (or, in reality, DECREASE), you could easily surmise that, soon, the USA will be completely devoid of humans. In fact, this is obviously not true,and US population is steadily growing, primarily due to incoming immigration, not shrinking due to fleeing the Kenyan Marxist Usurper and his jackbooted IRS
 
I don't think you really understand what FACTA is and the undue burden it puts on NORMAL US citizens living abroad, maybe even you.

Assuming you are from the US, are you sure you are 100% in compliance with your FBAR reporting? No? You may be subject to a 10k USD fine even if you only have 50 mangos in your Argentine account.

Are you sure about the 50 mango minimum?

Here´s what I found on line this morning (and it confirms what I´ve read previously):

Who Must File an FBAR

United States persons are required to file an FBAR if:
  1. the United States person had a financial interest in or signature authority over at least one financial account located outside of the United States; and
  2. the aggregate value of all foreign financial accounts exceeded $10,000 at any time during the calendar year reported.
United States person includes U.S. citizens; U.S. residents; entities, including but not limited to, corporations, partnerships, or limited liability companies, created or organized in the United States or under the laws of the United States; and trusts or estates formed under the laws of the United States.

Source: http://www.irs.gov/B...l-Accounts-FBAR
 
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