The end of Obama's socialism

bigbadwolf said:
No it doesn't. The wealth has accumulated in the hands of a global class of billionaires. Take India, for example -- touted as a success story by neoliberal shills like Tom Friedman. The average calorific intake has actually declined during the last twenty years. Just as disparities have been increasing in the USA, they have been increasing in other parts of the world that have gone along with the "Washington Consensus."

Bringing up unions -- do you bother to think about what you write or just type whatever tired old cliche comes to mind? Germany is a more heavily unionised country than the USA. The wages of its skilled workers are high. Why has manufacturing not imploded there? Why has unchecked outsourcing and transplanting of manufacturing not occurred there? If we take the logic of competitive wages at face value, American workers would need to be paid at levels comparable to Chinese and Indians. The USA industrialised behind a tariff wall -- and this was what made possible a middle class. The abolition of the tariff wall, coupled with unfettered movement of capital -- euphemistically called "free trade," "globalisation," etc. -- has benefited a small class of investors and speculators, but wreaked havoc on the American population at large. I might recommend Paul Craig Roberts' book, "How the Economy was Destroyed." Instead of incisive thought from the Tea Partiers, you have inanities like this coming from the likes of Rand Paul:



But coming back to your question of what outsourcing has to do with small government: the process of "globalisation" -- outsourcing, transplanting manufacturing, the development of a global financial system that makes the other things possible, the military muscle to back it up with -- are all intimately connected with big government. Big government and big capital are tied together -- something Tea Partiers cannot understand.



*Sigh* -- the Pentagon has estimated there are not more than 100 Al-Qaeda people in Afghanistan. Why, then, is the US still involved there? The US government made a completely deceitful argument about WMD, and links between Al-Qaeda and Saddam to serve as a casus belli. Again, do you think about what you write? The "war on terror" is open-ended, where the "terrorists" are never clearly defined, where the "objectives" keep changing according to expediency (Saddam has WMD --> Saddam was a bad guy --> We're engaged in nation-building --> We're restoring democracy). With regard to Afghanistan, Obama has given no clear reason for continued involvement. The point is a militarised empire like the US is now engaged, by the logic of its military-industrial complex, in unending warfare for no clear reason. Among other things, this is bankrupting the people who live in the empire. What the Tea Partiers don't seem to get into their thick skulls is that while they have this militarised, paranoid government, they can't simulataneously have a small government.



Watch, wait, listen. Nothing has changed. Neither side has ideas; both uphold the status quo. Something you don't seem to understand, making silly divisions, as you do, between the "liberals" and Republicans/Tea Partiers. As others have pointed out, if voting could change anything, they'd have abolished the ballot box a long time ago.

There is no movement, I reiterate. It's smoke and mirrors, red herrings. For a movement to exist, a clearly enunciated ideology would be necessary, coupled with a way to realise it. The Bolsheviks had it, the Nazis had it. The Tea Partiers don't. Wake up.



There is no "left" in the US. As Nader pointed out some years ago, both Democrats and Republicans are dialling for the same dollars. There are no ideological differences between them. The only difference is that the Democrats are hypocrites becaue they have a different electoral basis, which they have to deceive.

The healthcare "reform" was written by industry lobbyists. Obama is a moron who understands nothing except to be a good house negro. Reid and Pelosi -- whom I hold in greater contempt than any Republican -- are corporate puppets. Are these the people you call the "left?"

The "reform" isn't a disaster for those who wrote the bill. It's a windfall. In your mind, is this what it means to be "left?"

What the Tea Partiers don't have the cojones, the brains, the ideology, the organisation, the common voice, to say is that something more radical is needed. But this is what happens when you have corporate puppets like Palin, Beck, and Limbaugh heading this "movement." Pied pipers, I think. At least Buchanan has been openly hinting that politics as usual is simply not working.


So basically, you are stating the same arguments in another way...bad evil rich people. Evil corporations. Evil military. Good unions. Stupid Tea Party.

In a sense I'm happy you are so in the dark because I know there are many like you in the states that are still in denial and in 2012 when you get your asses handed to you AGAIN, I'll be there laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm still confused why ANYONE would use ANY European country as a example...Still, I will give you that NOW/TODAY, Germany isn't doing too bad....but let's look at the REAL reason.

Around 2005, the PRIVATE companies told the Unions, we are going to lay everyone off and outsource all the jobs to Asia unless you are willing to be more competitive, cut wages, and...oh my goodness, work a 40 hour week (poor Germans).

While reluctant, the Unions WENT along with the changes and lowered their wages to be...wait for it...COMPETITIVE with Eastern Europe and Asia...and what happened??? Unemployment declined, companies started providing extra programs for the employees (training, etc) and didn't outsource jobs (it was in the agreements). MAYBE the Unions in the U.S. should look to the German Unions as an example and stop bitching about outsourcing.

The Govt made MASSIVE cutbacks in spending and welfare because the PRIVATE companies were providing more opportunities for the workers and families.

Funny what private evil corporations do when the Govt isn't looking over their shoulders and telling them how to run their business.

The "terrorists"??...So, are you saying they aren't terrorists?? And read AGAIN what I wrote...I said, IF the enemy or "fake terrorists" aren't in Afghanistan, why are we there?? Still, arguing the war on terror with someone like you is pointless. Let's just hope it doesn't come to your front door like it did mine.
 
Jared, thanks for answering my inquiry about how you would deal with the big issues. Some follow up questions.

If the estate tax and capital gains tax were abolished, do you think a flat tax of just 15% for individuals and 17% for businesses would provide sufficient revenue to balance the fed budget even if the cuts you suggest were implemented over time (it would take a lot of time to phase out Soc Sec and Medicare, don't you think?) Do you have any factual basis on on which to support the 15/17 % recommendations?

When you mention cutting half of the Fed Cabinets/Depts, which ones besides the Depts of Ed and Agriculture do you want to cut? Does being cut mean eliminated entirely or just reducing their budgets and if the latter, to what extent? And are we talking about cutting the programs that fall within their respective purview? Can you provide some more detail?

I have to wonder about your health care proposals. The US spends an awful lot of $ pp on health care compared to all other industrialized countries and yet the level of service is not that much better and in some areas, worse. Do you think the elimination of Medicare and the concommitant growth of large corporate health providers, hospitals, and Big Pharma will change things for the better?

Does minimal oversight of financial institutions after the subprime debacle really seem like a good way to go? TARP saved several big institutions and their overpaid bonus babies, much to the chagrin of "main street" and the working class regular joes, but does allowing them to make more mischief and then go belly up solve the problems of corporate abuse and the economic damage it does? You do agree there were corporate abuses, don't you?

Can you clarify what you mean by staying on the offensive in the war on terror with minimal troops on the ground? Do you favor troops on the ground at all? Where? If by staying on the offensive with minimal troops on the ground are you referring to bombing? Where? Who?

Global warming is garbage? Gee, I thought the vast majority of the credible scientific community was no longer in doubt that such a phenomenon exists and is causing harmful weather with much worse on the mid range horizon. Where do you get your science on this subject?

Do you think petroleum will last forever?

You say you want to return to the original constitution, but surely you don't advocate a return to slavery and second class status for women, do you?

I have to recommend another NYT article on the current political scene. Fran Rich's column from yesterday. One can read it here. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/opinion/07rich.html?src=me&ref=general I think Rich makes some good points. Incidentally, he refers to the Tea Party heavyweight, Senator Jim DeMint, and DeMint's book that was published last year. The link to DeMint's book as advertised on Google books contains a wonderful review. I think it merits full inclusion here.

"This book is an utterly pathetic cut and paste job compiled from the Bible, fairy tales, old Republican campaign documents, heritage foundation white papers and, apparently, whatever else was around.
It's hard to believe that whoever actually glued it together bothered to include much of DeMint's actual thought, if any was available, or if any actually exists.
There are huge logical disconnects here. Facts and assertions lead to conclusions they actually don't support. The post hoc fallacy is deployed as if it were logic.
This book distorts constitutional history to support the agendas of multinational corporations the founding father's couldn't have imagined. It turns words said in quiet rooms by thoughtful men considering revolution and independence into tools for capitalistic gluttons who fly in private jets and grow rich in an economy which is unreal, dangerous and empty of real productivity.
The words "freedom" and "socialism" are so abused in this book that by the last page, its hard to be sure they stand for anything but "good" and "bad" in the minds of the men who pay for and program Jim DeMint.
Corporations want to make money. They have money. In this case they've bought a Senator and produced a book, neither of which is very good. It's like a stroll through an ideological Wal Mart, cheap, useful to the people who sell it but so much less than the quality and integrity of the things we once made in America.
DeMint's challenger Vic Rawl has read 150 books in the last year. I sincerely doubt DeMint has read this one. I wouldn't blame him for skipping it. It was a painful, boring and unproductive slog."
 
darmanad said:
Jared, thanks for answering my inquiry about how you would deal with the big issues. Some follow up questions.

If the estate tax and capital gains tax were abolished, do you think a flat tax of just 15% for individuals and 17% for businesses would provide sufficient revenue to balance the fed budget even if the cuts you suggest were implemented over time (it would take a lot of time to phase out Soc Sec and Medicare, don't you think?) Do you have any factual basis on on which to support the 15/17 % recommendations?

Yes, absolutely. And don't forget, we will also have another 50% of the population contributing revenue. The 15/17% is not necessarily based on a specific source. Singapore taxes companies between 15-20% so I split the difference. They also have a sliding tax scale (progressive) for individuals, however, I don't think anyone should be exempt from taxes, so make it a low flat rate, 15%.

When you mention cutting half of the Fed Cabinets/Depts, which ones besides the Depts of Ed and Agriculture do you want to cut? Does being cut mean eliminated entirely or just reducing their budgets and if the latter, to what extent? And are we talking about cutting the programs that fall within their respective purview? Can you provide some more detail?

Dept of Interior, Education, Agriculture, Health and Human Services, Energy, and Housing & Urban Development. I mean cutting entirely, they don't need to exist. Any programs should be dissolved, privatized, and/or moved under the states control. Again, just ideas to cut back Govt.

I have to wonder about your health care proposals. The US spends an awful lot of $ pp on health care compared to all other industrialized countries and yet the level of service is not that much better and in some areas, worse. Do you think the elimination of Medicare and the concommitant growth of large corporate health providers, hospitals, and Big Pharma will change things for the better?

Not sure what service you speak of, but the U.S. still has the best Health Care in the World. You really just can't argue against that. I think any company or industry left alone will provide better and cheaper products/services.

Does minimal oversight of financial institutions after the subprime debacle really seem like a good way to go? TARP saved several big institutions and their overpaid bonus babies, much to the chagrin of "main street" and the working class regular joes, but does allowing them to make more mischief and then go belly up solve the problems of corporate abuse and the economic damage it does? You do agree there were corporate abuses, don't you?

The subprime debacle was caused BY the Government...why won't your "people";) get that. Banks were forced by the government to meet certain housing loan standards for the poor and down-trodden. Any bank not under control of the Govt would have NEVER give a home loan to someone KNOWING they would not be able to pay it back. Again, any company that does, on their own, screw up..goes bye bye.

Can you clarify what you mean by staying on the offensive in the war on terror with minimal troops on the ground? Do you favor troops on the ground at all? Where? If by staying on the offensive with minimal troops on the ground are you referring to bombing? Where? Who?

I said IF we can keep the offensive with minimal troops, great. However, if we need more troops in order to keep the country and our interests safe, so be it. And yes, we have to have some ground presence.


Global warming is garbage? Gee, I thought the vast majority of the credible scientific community was no longer in doubt that such a phenomenon exists and is causing harmful weather with much worse on the mid range horizon. Where do you get your science on this subject?

Gee, I thought most of the "respected" and leading scientists have all been shown to have faked and manipulated data. Global Warming..complete garbage. HOWEVER, I do believe we need to take better care of the planet, i.e. oceans, forests, etc.

Do you think petroleum will last forever?

Nope, but it's not running out tomorrow especially since we have only tapped minimal reserves around the world. And, when it does run out in the next few hundred years, I would guess by then the private industries will have found or created alternate sources (but it ain't happening anytime soon) and it's not something the Govt should be involved in.

You say you want to return to the original constitution, but surely you don't advocate a return to slavery and second class status for women, do you?

Come on...don't play crazy :). I want to return to the founding principals around the Constitution..those include MINIMAL Govt intervention in our lives.


I have to recommend another NYT article on the current political scene. Fran Rich's column from yesterday. One can read it here. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/opinion/07rich.html?src=me&ref=general I think Rich makes some good points. Incidentally, he refers to the Tea Party heavyweight, Senator Jim DeMint, and DeMint's book that was published last year. The link to DeMint's book as advertised on Google books contains a wonderful review. I think it merits full inclusion here.

"This book is an utterly pathetic cut and paste job compiled from the Bible, fairy tales, old Republican campaign documents, heritage foundation white papers and, apparently, whatever else was around.
It's hard to believe that whoever actually glued it together bothered to include much of DeMint's actual thought, if any was available, or if any actually exists.
There are huge logical disconnects here. Facts and assertions lead to conclusions they actually don't support. The post hoc fallacy is deployed as if it were logic.
This book distorts constitutional history to support the agendas of multinational corporations the founding father's couldn't have imagined. It turns words said in quiet rooms by thoughtful men considering revolution and independence into tools for capitalistic gluttons who fly in private jets and grow rich in an economy which is unreal, dangerous and empty of real productivity.
The words "freedom" and "socialism" are so abused in this book that by the last page, its hard to be sure they stand for anything but "good" and "bad" in the minds of the men who pay for and program Jim DeMint.
Corporations want to make money. They have money. In this case they've bought a Senator and produced a book, neither of which is very good. It's like a stroll through an ideological Wal Mart, cheap, useful to the people who sell it but so much less than the quality and integrity of the things we once made in America.
DeMint's challenger Vic Rawl has read 150 books in the last year. I sincerely doubt DeMint has read this one. I wouldn't blame him for skipping it. It was a painful, boring and unproductive slog."
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Now that you have elaborated on your ideas for social governance here are my observations on your thinking and "feelings." I say feelings because many of your ideas seem to be based upon emotion more than actual thought. But first a caveat.

In your #21 above you refused to comment on an article which you thought was riddled with "crazy left facts." I can only guess that for you leftist facts are somehow less true than conservative facts which honestly confuses me because I thought by definition a fact is true no matter how much it supports one's position on the political spectrum. Anyway, instead of pointing out how my facts were inaccurate you simply wrote "This article is SO riddled with crap and lies that I'm not going to waste a second more commenting on it." Of course, that is your prerogative, but it does tend to stifle debate. I will exercise the same prerogative. I believe your ideas are so bizarre and demonstrate such meanspiritedness that I really don't want to debate you beyond this.

1. This linked article analyzes the Tea Party and it's mantra to return to the true, infallible constitution of our founding fathers (you know, the one that legalized slavery and denied equal status to women). A good read.
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/17/how-tea-partiers-get-the-constitution-wrong.html . It seems to me the TP movement is kind of like a Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson Moral Majority redoux, only with more bombast.

2. Here's an article setting forth what England's chief and former chief scientific advisors on the environment say about climate change. Put on your life vests.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/aug/06/climatechange.scienceofclimatechange

3. An income tax that requires a cop, teacher or janitor earning 60K/year to pay the same % of his income in tax as a wall street investment banker who received a $50 million bonus last year is obscene. The same can be said for elimination of all capitol gains tax and estate tax. If you cannot see that, your ethics are flawed. Go back to first grade and learn to share your toys and play nice like the other children. Be fair.

4. I worked for one of the largest mortgage lenders in the US. No one forced banks to make loans to poor, uncreditworthy people of any color. Banks disregarded good credit risk analysis because they could sell their loans with no right of recourse back to them if the loans went into default. As the banks had no risk credit standards went out the window for everyone. Pure and simple. Anyone who says the banks were forced to lend to poor people of color is ignorant.

5. You obviously have no idea whether a flat tax of 15 or 17 or whatever % is required to bring the budget into balance. Are those numbers faith based? (I knew Singapore and you (US) are no Singapore.)

6. It's my understanding that the social security fund actually provides a means for the fed govt to borrow cheap money. If it is privatized it would not be a savings for the govt - if anything , it would be a loss.

7. I asked you to specify where you would station troops on the ground and where you would bomb if that is what you meant when you said we should stay on the offensive. You refused to answer. Who do you want to win against? Who is the enemy and where are they? Where do you want to station troops and where do you want to bomb (these are rhetorical as far as I am concerned).

8. From your answer on petroleum, it appears your energy policy is "lets not work on alternatives now, it's too soon." That is consistent wth your stated position of doing away with the Energy Dept (not to mention your goal of axing many other domestic programs that have historically given the country vitality). Do you think we have access to sufficient oil to last for hundreds of years and that we will not really be dependent on mideast oil? That is unrealistic and will only enslave us to folks many of whom perceive us as infidels.

In sum, your hankering for the original constitution is akin to "gimme that ol' time religion." Your ideas about social engineering are absurd and meanspirited. I don't think you are a nice person.
 
darmanad said:
Now that you have elaborated on your ideas for social governance here are my observations on your thinking and "feelings." I say feelings because many of your ideas seem to be based upon emotion more than actual thought. But first a caveat.

In your #21 above you refused to comment on an article which you thought was riddled with "crazy left facts." I can only guess that for you leftist facts are somehow less true than conservative facts which honestly confuses me because I thought by definition a fact is true no matter how much it supports one's position on the political spectrum. Anyway, instead of pointing out how my facts were inaccurate you simply wrote "This article is SO riddled with crap and lies that I'm not going to waste a second more commenting on it." Of course, that is your prerogative, but it does tend to stifle debate. I will exercise the same prerogative. I believe your ideas are so bizarre and demonstrate such meanspiritedness that I really don't want to debate you beyond this.

1. This linked article analyzes the Tea Party and it's mantra to return to the true, infallible constitution of our founding fathers (you know, the one that legalized slavery and denied equal status to women). A good read.
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/17/how-tea-partiers-get-the-constitution-wrong.html . It seems to me the TP movement is kind of like a Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson Moral Majority redoux, only with more bombast.

2. Here's an article setting forth what England's chief and former chief scientific advisors on the environment say about climate change. Put on your life vests.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/aug/06/climatechange.scienceofclimatechange

3. An income tax that requires a cop, teacher or janitor earning 60K/year to pay the same % of his income in tax as a wall street investment banker who received a $50 million bonus last year is obscene. The same can be said for elimination of all capitol gains tax and estate tax. If you cannot see that, your ethics are flawed. Go back to first grade and learn to share your toys and play nice like the other children. Be fair.

4. I worked for one of the largest mortgage lenders in the US. No one forced banks to make loans to poor, uncreditworthy people of any color. Banks disregarded good credit risk analysis because they could sell their loans with no right of recourse back to them if the loans went into default. As the banks had no risk credit standards went out the window for everyone. Pure and simple. Anyone who says the banks were forced to lend to poor people of color is ignorant.

5. You obviously have no idea whether a flat tax of 15 or 17 or whatever % is required to bring the budget into balance. Are those numbers faith based? (I knew Singapore and you (US) are no Singapore.)

6. It's my understanding that the social security fund actually provides a means for the fed govt to borrow cheap money. If it is privatized it would not be a savings for the govt - if anything , it would be a loss.

7. I asked you to specify where you would station troops on the ground and where you would bomb if that is what you meant when you said we should stay on the offensive. You refused to answer. Who do you want to win against? Who is the enemy and where are they? Where do you want to station troops and where do you want to bomb (these are rhetorical as far as I am concerned).

8. From your answer on petroleum, it appears your energy policy is "lets not work on alternatives now, it's too soon." That is consistent wth your stated position of doing away with the Energy Dept (not to mention your goal of axing many other domestic programs that have historically given the country vitality). Do you think we have access to sufficient oil to last for hundreds of years and that we will not really be dependent on mideast oil? That is unrealistic and will only enslave us to folks many of whom perceive us as infidels.

In sum, your hankering for the original constitution is akin to "gimme that ol' time religion." Your ideas about social engineering are absurd and meanspirited. I don't think you are a nice person.

If asking for smaller government and less government intrusion in our lives makes me a mean person, then I am happy to be called a mean person.

FAIR?? IS life all of a sudden fair?? And I haven't seen anyone (or you) make comments on the fact that 50% of the U.S. DON'T PAY TAXES!! But I guess that is fair because they aren't as wealthy as the rest of us BUT use more public services. There is no such thing as "social justice". Life is NOT fair! Give it a rest. Next "argument" please.

Moving on...I think your replies to my replies are utterly ridiculous and you took (like all liberals) most everything I said out of context. So, good for you and think what you wish, I'm used to it. In the end, you can quote all the liberal written articles you want and call us (conservatives) names.

What you fail to realize is that YOU are amongst a shrinking faction of leftist thought (though maybe not on this forum) and I am amongst a growing and still majority faction of the United States. Ohh...I think I just proved your point that the U.S. is mean spirited and full of mean people.:( Evil, Military, Corporate America...Bad America!
 
Funny thing happened today, the U.S. debt commission just came out with some proposals to cut the deficit. Only 200B which is nothing, but it is a start.

Among them...

Lowering the base corporate tax rate

Lowering the Fed income tax to 8, 14, and 23% (I still think a flat rate is better, but this isn't awful)

Raise the retirement age to 68

Cut foreign aid

Cut Social Security payments (over time) and no payment increases.

Cut back on Medicare payments and services

Cutting 10% of the FEDERAL workforce

Federal employee pay raise freeze for 3 years (btw, did you know that in the last 2 years the number of FEDERAL employees making over 150K doubled? There are now 17000 fed employees earning more than 150K...does that seem FAIR???)

Funny, I have been called stupid, ignorant, mean spirited, and evil for suggesting the same things in my previous posts. Guess my ideas weren't as stupid as previously thought...or maybe the commission is just as stupid and mean spirited as I am.
 
jaredwb said:
Funny, I have been called stupid, ignorant, mean spirited, and evil for suggesting the same things in my previous posts. Guess my ideas weren't as stupid as previously thought...or maybe the commission is just as stupid and mean spirited as I am.
You didn't suggest the same things, so don't kid yourself - your ideas are not any less stupid.
 
jaredwb said:
Around 2005, the PRIVATE companies told the Unions, we are going to lay everyone off and outsource all the jobs to Asia unless you are willing to be more competitive, cut wages, and...oh my goodness, work a 40 hour week (poor Germans).

While reluctant, the Unions WENT along with the changes and lowered their wages to be...wait for it...COMPETITIVE with Eastern Europe and Asia...and what happened??? Unemployment declined, companies started providing extra programs for the employees (training, etc) and didn't outsource jobs (it was in the agreements). MAYBE the Unions in the U.S. should look to the German Unions as an example and stop bitching about outsourcing.

The Govt made MASSIVE cutbacks in spending and welfare because the PRIVATE companies were providing more opportunities for the workers and families.

Funny what private evil corporations do when the Govt isn't looking over their shoulders and telling them how to run their business.

I haven't been keeping up with this thread. Can you cite any credible sources for these "facts and figures" that I never heard of before? I'm especially curious about the ultimatum that the private sector made to the unions. And I'm curious about the "massive cuts" in expenditure.

The "terrorists"??...So, are you saying they aren't terrorists?? And read AGAIN what I wrote...I said, IF the enemy or "fake terrorists" aren't in Afghanistan, why are we there?? Still, arguing the war on terror with someone like you is pointless. Let's just hope it doesn't come to your front door like it did mine.

Ah, the old trick of answering a question with another question. Funny how elusive and malleable the term "terrorist" is. If the Pentagon itself is saying there are not more than 100 Al-Qaeda operatives there, why is the US still there. I'm sorry to have to repeat the question, but you didn't answer it the first time around. And you seem to be oblivious to the detailed plan made by Dick Cheney and the PNAC for the invasion and occupation of the Middle East years before 2001. The neo-con gang wanted any old pretext to invade and occupy. Nothing to do with "terror." I observe with interest the South Carolina senator calling for war against Iran. More "terrorism," I suppose.

See, what bothers me is the obvious inconsistency. If you made an honest argument for no-holds-barred militarism and imperialism, I could understand. But on the one hand you're braying for small government, on the other, braying about the need to make the world free of "terror" -- which obviously calls for big, militarised, paranoid, intrusive government where individual liberties have been curtailed or stripped. The two don't go together. Under the guise of promoting laissez-faire, liberty, small government, you are really promoting an authoritarian, fascist state where a tiny minority calls the shots. It's not clear whether you understand the contradictions in your position -- or whether you even care.

The thing about Europe is that the social contract still exists there. In the US, it's absent. Thus, the police are increasingly becoming privatised and want to be paid by victims (source), and it looks like other social services are following suit (source). It seems the rich don't even get charged with running over people (source). Politics is already a pay-to-play game, which only the rich can afford to play. Everything is rigged and fixed in the US. Is there any civil society left? And the Tea Party proposals -- ostensibly a panacea -- will make all of this even worse. The Tea Partiers will not restore a civil society, nor resurrect some social contract.

I reiterate that if the Tea Part gang -- Rand Paul, Sarah Palin, ad nauseam -- were obvious cutthroasts and bandits, it wouldn't bother me. What bothers me is the obvious hypocrisy, the chasm between what is said and what is done. The rhetoric is about small government; the reality is about even more concentrated ownership, safeguarded by an inceasingly intrusive and fascist state (the "war on terror"). These are pied pipers.
 
Insightful article by Noam Chomsky:

People rightly want answers, and they are not getting them except from voices that tell tales that have some internal coherence—if you suspend disbelief and enter into their world of irrationality and deceit.

Ridiculing Tea Party shenanigans is a serious error, however. It is far more appropriate to understand what lies behind the movement’s popular appeal, and to ask ourselves why justly angry people are being mobilized by the extreme right and not by the kind of constructive activism that rose during the Depression, like the CIO (Congress of Industrial Organizations).

Now Tea Party sympathizers are hearing that every institution—government, corporations and the professions—is rotten, and that nothing works.

Amid the joblessness and foreclosures, the Democrats can’t complain about the policies that led to the disaster. President Ronald Reagan and his Republican successors may have been the worst culprits, but the policies began with President Jimmy Carter and accelerated under President Bill Clinton. During the presidential election, Barack Obama’s primary constituency was financial institutions, which have gained remarkable dominance over the economy in the past generation.

It's said the devil offers fake solutions to real problems. Seems to be the case for the Tea Partiers as well.
 
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