The Next 4 Years If Scioli Wins?

[Bajo_cero2]

One hopes that the Argentine electorate have more sense than to vote for more of the same bullsh*t.

In fact, the electorade has a lot of good sense. We were importing oil, now we are producing it, we have new trains, the reserves didn't crash, not paying to the vulpures was the right desicion, there was no default, people has jobs, or social plans. This administration sent to hell the IMF and we stop beibg Greece.
WTF are you talking about?

 

[Bajo_cero2]

I believe Scioli is a little bit of a "closet free marketer".If he wins,I think that he will slowly come out of that closet and gradually move toward a freer market .Argentina has always been about 15 -20 years behind the rest of the world and will contnue to be so.

Well, if you see what is going on in Europe, i think that Argentina was +15 years, we were like that on 2001.

 

[thorsten]

In fact, the electorade has a lot of good sense. We were importing oil, now we are producing it, we have new trains, the reserves didn't crash, not paying to the vulpures was the right desicion, there was no default, people has jobs, or social plans. This administration sent to hell the IMF and we stop beibg Greece.
WTF are you talking about?

Let's keep it honest:
- Oil: http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/184112/enarsa-buys-950k-barrels-of-crude
- Trains: yeah, congratulations, new trains were bought on a debt-like deal.
- Reserves: they are very low and only not declining in the last year due to the currency swap deals - which again is basically debt for future generations
- The "vulture" issue is not yet resolved - all that's done is to postpone the problem to the next government
- There was a default - even if Christina and little Axel don't consider it as one.
- People have jobs or social plans? Great, how about publishing real poverty numbers then. Maybe you are doing even better than Germany
- Behind the scenes Argentina is working to get back to the international capital market. Paying back the Paris club debt is a required step. Conveniently, the most of the money to be paid back is due after CFK is out of office.

Sorry, but I fail to see a lot of accomplishments in your list, given I consider good politics should be sustainable and not "buy now, let the next guy pay".

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Another point of comparison between Peronists and Republicans: http://www.bubblear.com/picking-zannini-like-choosing-karl-rove-running-mate/

 

[sesamosinsal]

Sorry, but I fail to see a lot of accomplishments in your list, given I consider good politics should be sustainable and not "buy now, let the next guy pay".

Please give me an example of a country with "sustainable politics."- haha

There isn't one country out there that doesn't run on the "buy now, let the next guy pay" system - that's exactly how it's supposed to work.

 

[thorsten]

So you consider for example the social security systems or eductions system in Scandinavia or Germany similar to here Bradly? In my opinion, there's a huge difference between "paying the retirement fund from current income/investing in education and create potential" to "buying a train on debt/currency swap money just to have a new picture in front of a train". Obviously a lot of the needed measures to make these systems sustainable are not very popular - I remember the huge discussion regarding the retirement reforms in Germany needed due to the changed demographics: Nobody wants to have to work longer, but sometimes even those unpopular changes make it into society

 

[wild_horses]

So you consider for example the social security systems or eductions system in Scandinavia or Germany similar to here Bradly? In my opinion, there's a huge difference between "paying the retirement fund from current income/investing in education and create potential" to "buying a train on debt/currency swap money just to have a new picture in front of a train". Obviously a lot of the needed measures to make these systems sustainable are not very popular - I remember the huge discussion regarding the retirement reforms in Germany needed due to the changed demographics: Nobody wants to have to work longer, but sometimes even those unpopular changes make it into society

I do not understand you Adolfo, what the hell are you doing in poverty stricken, corrupt and miserable Argentina? You are from a superior country with superior genes and a superior economy. Are you a masochistic?.....

 

[thorsten]

I had a great education in Germany, don't need to make local income in Argentina and don't rely on the social security system here, so your argument - like all of your posts - is not very logical. Keep trying though, maybe in the far future you will find a bit of intelligence and make a valid argument instead of trying to insult people in the most uncreative manner...

 

[sesamosinsal]

So you consider for example the social security systems or eductions system in Scandinavia or Germany similar to here Bradly? In my opinion, there's a huge difference between "paying the retirement fund from current income/investing in education and create potential" to "buying a train on debt/currency swap money just to have a new picture in front of a train". Obviously a lot of the needed measures to make these systems sustainable are not very popular - I remember the huge discussion regarding the retirement reforms in Germany needed due to the changed demographics: Nobody wants to have to work longer, but sometimes even those unpopular changes make it into society

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. I personally have no problem with the government improving infrastructure. If that means using debt to buy new trains, so be it.

As far as your criticism of "borrow now, pay later," that idea is at the very core of our modern, debt-based financial system. Love it or hate it, all countries take on debt to pay for things now. Germany's debt-to-GDP ratio is almost twice that of Argentina's. So?

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. I personally have no problem with the government improving infrastructure. If that means using debt to buy new trains, so be it.

As far as your criticism of "borrow now, pay later," that idea is at the very core of our modern, debt-based financial system. Love it or hate it, all countries take on debt to pay for things now. Germany's debt-to-GDP ratio is almost twice that of Argentina's. So?

Perhaps Germany is capable of paying its debts, and realizes the necessity of doing so?