Zyklon.what Was It And Who Made It?

[Noesdeayer]

Zyklon the gas that killed about 6 million Jews in the Nazi death camps was fabricated by IG Farben or today's Bayer the German multinational that is about to close the purchase of bad old Monsanto a US multinational who made Agent Orange.
I do not exonerate either one of these companies.All I'm saying is that if the Germans of Bayer have been able over 70 odd years to have millions of customers forget about their role in murdering 6 million Nazi victims.What are their chances of doing the same with Agent Orange and other pesticides?
The odds appear to be in their favor.Opinions?

 

[RodalfoWalsh]

And VW made nazi mobiles.

This zyklon argument is beyond stupid. Companies are made up of employees and owners. If all of the owners and employees from a certain time period are dead, I see no reason to blame the company.

 

[Wryter47]

https://www.google.com.ar/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=zyklon+b

 

[wineguy999]

Zyklon-B accounted for roughly 1.1 to 1.5 million deaths, depending on the source.

Should we go after Mauser, who built the rifles that killed so many others? The bullet manufacturers, whoever they are? Porsche, BMW, and Mercedes, who built the vans that were modified for killing by the Einsatzgruppen? It's a big list.

 

[Rich One]

The developer of Zyklon B, obtained a Nobel Prize for the Haber-Bosch process to manufacture Ammonia Fertilizer from Nitrogen and hydrogen..

 

[camberiu]

.All I'm saying is that if the Germans of Bayer have been able over 70 odd years to have millions of customers forget about their role in murdering 6 million Nazi victims.

I can play this game too.

In 1942, FDR sent hundreds of thousands of American citizens of Japanese descent into prison camps. There were no formal charges, no trials, no appeals. Many of the families affected lost everything.
In 1945, President Henry Truman received and gave shelter to thousands of Nazi scientists/technitians escaping from Europe, including one named Wernher von Braun, who ran a missile manufacturing facility that relied primarily Jewish slave labor. The working conditions there were appalling, and it is believed that more people were killed manufacturing the V2 rocked than killed by it as a weapon.
Truman also gave shelter and covered up the crimes committed by the Japanese scientists from the infamous Unit 731, in exchange for knowledge and additional research. The Unit 731 is know for performing horrifying biological experiments on thousands of Chinese civilians. The experiments conducted by Unit 731 were on par with those of Dr. Joseph Menguele.
All I'm saying is that if top leaders from the Democratic Party have been able over 70 odd years to have millions of Americans forget about their party's role in incarcerating hundreds of thousands of Americans solely due to their ancestry and giving aid and shelter to war criminals from Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan, what are the chances of them doing even worse with Hillary as president.

Same "logic" applies.

 

[steveinbsas]

Zyklon the gas that killed about 6 million Jews in the Nazi death camps...

The following link provides more detailed information about the history of the Nazi's use of poison gas as a method of mass murder:

https://www.ushmm.or...duleId=10005220

It is simply erroneous to assert that six million Jews were killed by Zyklon B in the Nazi death camps, but that doesn't make any of the deaths less horrific.

What is often overlooked is the fact that three to four times as many non-Jews were also exterminated by the Nazis during the same time period.

This is is the final paragraph of a very well written and opening paper by a UCA master's candidate:

"Numerous factors have contributed to the American public's perception of the Holocaust as an exclusively Jewish event. Recognizing these factors--misinformation, misrepresentation, and political agendas--should be the first step in correcting America's skewed version of Holocaust history. The Holocaust was an event of mass prejudice and abuse of power. It entailed the murdering of many millions of people who were singled out for their differences, whether they be religious, ethnic, physical, political, social or national. Over six million Jewish people were murdered by virtue of their ethnicity and religion, while somewhere between sixteen and twenty million non-Jews were also murdered because they did not fit the homogeneous mold the Nazi regime had selected for the German nation. Consequently, the image of the Holocaust as strictly a Jewish event must be corrected. If not, millions of non-Jews will have died without a record in history, and the Holocaust will never be an accurate portrayal of the actual historical event."

http://www.ukemonde....st/victims.html

 

[steveinbsas]

One sentence in my previous post was missing an eye:

[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]This is is the final paragraph of a very well written and eye-opening paper by a UCA master's candidate:[/background]

 

[thorsten]

It is simply erroneous to assert that six million Jews were killed by Zyklon B in the Nazi death camps, but that doesn't make any of the deaths less horrific.

What is often overlooked is the fact that three to four times as many non-Jews were also exterminated by the Nazis during the same time period.

No, its not erroneous: the most commonly used definition of the Holocaust - in Europe and in the US - is the genocide of Jews by the Nazi regime. Consequently, the other victims are not ignored or overlooked, but just don't fall into this definition.

 

[steveinbsas]

No, its not erroneous: the most commonly used definition of the Holocaust - in Europe and in the US - is the genocide of Jews by the Nazi regime. Consequently, the other victims are not ignored or overlooked, but just don't fall into this definition.

I was not disputing the definition of the Holocaust. Rather, I was disputing Noesdeayer's assertion that six million Jews were killed by the use of Zyklon B.

As wineguy999 added in this thread, "[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]Zyklon-B accounted for roughly 1.1 to 1.5 million deaths, depending on the source."[/background]

So, it is indeed erroneous to assert that six million Jews were killed by the use of Zyklon B.

The Nazi's began the extermination of European Jews using bullets and then in mobile gas chambers (trucks in which the engine exhaust was piped into the enclosed cargo space inside of which the victims were locked). The gas chambers at the concentration camps were built to employ a more efficient means of killing Many died in the trains on the way to the camps and many more were starved to death while performing forced (slave) labor.

I think it's clear that the author of the paper I cited finds the definition of the Holocaust to be exclusive to the extermination of six million Jews, but she also is concerned that the deaths of millions of non-Jews who also were murdered by the Nazis has been obscured by the focus on the Holocaust.

The first two results I clicked on in a google search both define the Holocaust as the murder of six million Jews. Fortunately, both of them also mention the millions of other victims:

From The Holocaust Encyclopedia:

[font=Mercury SSm A']"The Holocaust was the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jews by the Nazi regime and its collaborators. Holocaust is a word of Greek origin meaning "sacrifice by fire." The Nazis, who came to power in Germany in January 1933, believed that Germans were "racially superior" and that the Jews, deemed "inferior," were an alien threat to the so-called German racial community.[/font]

[font=Mercury SSm A']During the era of the Holocaust, German authorities also targeted other groups because of their perceived "racial inferiority": Roma (Gypsies), the disabled, and some of the Slavic peoples (Poles, Russians, and others). Other groups were persecuted on political, ideological, and behavioral grounds, among them Communists, Socialists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and homosexuals."[/font]

https://www.ushmm.or...duleId=10005143


From The Holocaust Explained:

[background=rgb(241, 241, 241)]The Holocaust (Shoah) was a unique event in 20th century history. It evolved slowly between 1933 and 1945. It began with discrimination; then the Jews were separated from their communities and persecuted; and finally they were treated as less than human beings and murdered.[/background]
[background=rgb(241, 241, 241)]During the Second World War the Nazis sought to murder the entire Jewish population of Europe and to destroy itsculture. In 1941 there were about 11 million Jews living in Europe; by May 1945 the Nazis had murdered six million of them. One-and-a-half million of these were children.[/background]
[background=rgb(241, 241, 241)]We now call these events the Holocaust.[/background]

[background=rgb(241, 241, 241)]Whilst the Jews of Europe were the Nazis’ primary target, many millions of other people were also imprisoned, enslaved and murdered. These people included Roma, those with mental or physical disabilities, homosexuals,Jehovah's Witnesses, trade unionists, political opponents, Poles and Soviet prisoners of war.[/background]
[background=rgb(241, 241, 241)]The Nazis did not act alone. They were supported and assisted by people from within the countries they occupied across Europe. Most countries stood by while the Nazis and their accomplices carried out the mass murder of the Jewish people.[/background]

http://www.theholoca...t/#.V_zSoCkmx7Y


Obviously, it's important to remember ALL victims of totalitarian regimes, lest we also meet the same fate at the hands of those whose thirst for power is unquenchable and their willingness to use that power to exterminate those who oppose them as well as those they deem undesirable is limitless.