50th Anniversary of the 1976 coup

[Dim Witty]

https://es.rollingstone.com/arg-a-5...iones-que-reclaman-memoria-verdad-y-justicia/

 

[Ries]

Just got back.
It was emotional, exciting, political, good things to eat, and the best people watching.
Many many families brought their kids, because they thought it was important for them to know.
Lots of music, live and recorded, murga style drum groups, rock nacional, folk music.
Giant puppets, home made merch.
tons and tons of sidewalk parillas, drinks, and snacks.
Many older people, often with a photo or name of a particular friend or relative who was disappeared.
tens of thousands of people, but all quite polite.

 

[Dim Witty]

Just got back.
It was emotional, exciting, political, good things to eat, and the best people watching.
Many many families brought their kids, because they thought it was important for them to know.
Lots of music, live and recorded, murga style drum groups, rock nacional, folk music.
Giant puppets, home made merch.
tons and tons of sidewalk parillas, drinks, and snacks.
Many older people, often with a photo or name of a particular friend or relative who was disappeared.
tens of thousands of people, but all quite polite.

Yes, thanks Ries, it was all that.

And I’ve also seen that this and other demonstrations act to open old wounds (my wife’s sister was murdered, and her mother was one of the founders of the Madres de Plaza Madre disappeared by Aziz), which moves many to redouble their efforts to oppose brutal governmental interventions like the Gaza genocide and the Cuban blockade to name but two, while also sensitizing countless souls to the plight of the sick and homeless and the growing nightmare of burgeoning poverty here and in other places.

 

[Rich One]

Santa Fe Ave, was blocked for hours while thousands marched to Plaza de Mayo. No bus service and no one was able to come out from cocheras leading to Av. Santa Fe. Buses that transported the people from AMBA blocked many avenues. La Campora banners and Cristina Libre street banners were all over.

Most people adhere to the "Los Dos Demonios " theory which means crimes were committed by both sides. No compensation was given to the victims of the "Guerrilleros" as far as we know.

 

[Ries]

Santa Fe Ave, was blocked for hours while thousands marched to Plaza de Mayo. No bus service and no one was able to come out from cocheras leading to Av. Santa Fe. Buses that transported the people from AMBA blocked many avenues. La Campora banners and Cristina Libre street banners were all over.

Most people adhere to the "Los Dos Demonios " theory which means crimes were committed by both sides. No compensation was given to the victims of the "Guerrilleros" as far as we know.

ESMA alone has records of almost 6000 kidnappings and murders. There were dozens of other torture centers and mass graves are still being dug up. The right wing apologists admit 11000 dead, and thats from the wackiest of the wacky, The 30,000 number is pretty widely accepted, although we will never know, because SECRET police kidnapped and murdered people in SECRET locations, and destroyed records, and dumped bodies at sea or buried them in unmarked mass graves.

The CIA records, which are easily accessed online directly from the CIA, estimate a minimum of 22,000.
We know for a fact of 500 or so kidnapped babies, and undoubtedly there are more.
Meanwhile, the total right wing casualties are well under 1000, probably closer to 500, and most wre armed soldiers shooting at montoneros, not college students.
Certainly there were some civilians killed, many executives and ceos of auto and industrial companies, but well under 100 in total. The vast majority of people the montoneros killed were actively trying to kill montoneros, not random civilians.
I don’t attempt to justify Any deaths. I think they are all wrong.
But the numbers, and the victims, are very lopsided, with the military killing and kidnapping a great many entirely nonviolent people, some for their political beliefs, many for what turned out to be no reason at all.
Most of the hard facts are searchable online, all the US government records are available.

Aramburu, who was assainated, for example, was a former dictator himself.
Maybe we could get the Bullriches to compensate his family?

 

[JMHarris]

Santa Fe Ave, was blocked for hours while thousands marched to Plaza de Mayo. No bus service and no one was able to come out from cocheras leading to Av. Santa Fe. Buses that transported the people from AMBA blocked many avenues. La Campora banners and Cristina Libre street banners were all over.

Most people adhere to the "Los Dos Demonios " theory which means crimes were committed by both sides. No compensation was given to the victims of the "Guerrilleros" as far as we know.

Are you a negocionista? Crimes committed on both sides? One side was the state, with all the state's power and use of force against unarmed civilians, like me, because I think differently. And I quote Ries: "Meanwhile, the total right wing casualties are well under 1000, probably closer to 500, and most wre armed soldiers shooting at montoneros, not college students. Certainly there were some civilians killed, many executives and ceos of auto and industrial companies, but well under 100 in total. The vast majority of people the montoneros killed were actively trying to kill montoneros, not random civilians."

 

[MilHojas]

Huge crowd floods Plaza de Mayo to mark 50 years since dictatorship coup

Tens of thousands of people marched Tuesday in Buenos Aires on a day of remembrance marking 50 years since the coup d’état that installed a bloody dictatorship.

www.batimes.com.ar

 

[camel]

Two words: Due process

 

[Stantucker]

Graciela Fernandez Mejide, once a Madre de la Plaza de Mayo, and who's son was disappeared and killed, has said the following: do we really think there were twenty thousand people who were disappeared, and no one-- neither coworkers, fellow militants nor family members-- ever bothered to report them as missing and presumably dead, especially when there was compensation involved?

 

[Ries]

I would advise anyone who is really interested, go to the ESMA museum.
Its located in the actual military building where literally thousands of people were imprisoned, and it was the departure point for the sedated prisoners to be driven to the airport and dumped in the ocean.
The records its based on are the actual military records (those that have survived).
It is full of real photos of real people, documents, and history.
The entire museum is still considered a crime scene, as, 50 years on, the judicial inquiry is not done.
Go there, and see if you think its all a scam or not.
I was there soon after it opened in 2015, and the day we were there, someone phoned in an anonymous bomb threat.
Obviously, there is a segment of Argentina which does NOT want you to see what is exhibited there.

One thing I learned there is that the secret police, when they disappeared someone, would frequently take all their belongings, as well, and sell them, and keep the money. They resold heaters, and radios, even clothes.

https://buenosairesherald.com/human-rights/50-anniversary-coup/casinos-and-spanish-banks-how-the-military-laundered-stolen-desaparecidos-goods

Whereas, for you bothsiders- when the wealthy Banker Francisco Soldati died in a car bomb in November of 1979, the Montoneros did not profit monetarily in any way- his family, which Villa Soldati is named after, are still enormously wealthy, and own large swaths of Uruguay near Jose Ignacio, along with companies in Argentina.