And yet another horror story

[AlexfromLA]

Actually. According to the Mercosur accords, as long as you are a citizen of a Mercosur country you cannot be denied legal residency in Uruguay or in any other Mercosur member or associate member country as long as you pass all the legal and criminal background checks. That is what I meant by automatic. You don't have to fall into the 5 normal criteria that other nationals do.

I also don't understand the " sponsor ", where is this written into the law ? And no there is no time limit. It might take a year to receive the DNI, but any Mercosur member can apply for residency in any Mercosur country and within a month they receive their precaria.

http://www.argentina.gov.ar/argentina/portal/paginas.dhtml?pagina=1335

http://www.migraciones.gov.ar/accesos/residencias.php

http://inmigracionargentina.wordpress.com/category/radicacion-temporaria/

Radicación temporaria por nacionalidad para ciudadanos nativos del MERCOSUR o Estados Asociados

En qué consiste
Obtener una radicación temporaria en el país por nacionalidad para ciudadanos nativos del MERCOSUR o Estados Asociados.
Qué documentación se debe presentar. Requisitos
1.- Pasaporte o cédula de identidad (país limítrofe) o certificado de nacionalidad, cualquiera de estos documentos de identidad deberán ser válidos y vigentes, y se presentarán en original y fotocopia.
2.- Partida de Nacimiento.
3.- Sello de legal ingreso al país (en el documento de viaje o en la tarjeta migratoria).
4.- Certificado de antecedentes penales en el país de origen.
5.- Certificado de antecedentes policiales/penales de la Policía Federal Argentina y del Registro Nacional de Reincidencia.
6.- Dos (2) fotos 4 x 4.
7.- Certificado de Domicilio o Factura de Servicio a nombre del extranjero donde conste el domicilio de no más de 90 días de emitida. Si fuera a nombre del cónyuge o progenitor, deberá acreditar el vínculo.

In short you are wrong about the immigration requirements. Yes, they have to apply, but as long as they pass the basic criteria, they automatically get residency simply by being Mercosur citizens. I am sorry you are not familiar with these laws but they are clearly stated and if you call migraciones they will tell you the same thing.

Regarding the illegals, you are correct, there are many immigrants here that do not know their rights, or don't have the money to do all the proper tramites to get their paperwork in order and corrupt police officers obviously exploit these people. But the facts remain, if these are legal citizens of Mercosur member or associate states and they do not have a criminal record, they have every legal right to obtain residency in Argentina.

As an Argentine, I don't get "automatic residency" in Uruguay but must go through a lengthy and expensive process to get it.

I know from personal experience that both Bolivians and Peruvians must apply for residence here just like anyone else. It takes a sponsor, and about a year for them to get it. We sponsored a few of them.

Undocumented ones are afraid of being stopped by the police, who extorts bribes to let them go. The Once train station is their favorite hunting grounds.

 

[French jurist]

Story doesn't tell the value of the bycicle, but very likely it's a 2000 USD bike.

I can imagine the two pibes chorros seeing him coming and saying to themselves "Eh Che, mira a la bici de este Yanki (for the pibes chorros, all foreigners are supposed to be Americans) !"

Welcome to the real world. Good thing he tries to raise funds for charities (what's the link anyway with the assault ?), but if this Ambassador really wants to open his own eyes, he should rather go at night in Pompeya to try to take care of 12 y/o prostitutes addicted to paco. Of course, it's less fancy...

 

[SaraSara]

Actually. According to the Mercosur accords, as long as you are a citizen of a Mercosur country you cannot be denied legal residency in Uruguay or in any other Mercosur member or associate member country as long as you pass all the legal and criminal background checks. That is what I meant by automatic. You don't have to fall into the 5 normal criteria that other nationals do.

They still have to go through the process, and pass the legal and criminal background checks.. That's not "automatic", as in walking in with your passport and leaving with your DNI.

It is certainly not automatic for me in Uruguay, either, where I have to go through exactly the same process Canadians and Germans must go through, and wait a year for my "cedula".

 

[AlexfromLA]

Lol,

I'll just leave it at that. The facepalm would be gratuitous.

 

[JoeBlow]

Cristina K's main area of support in this country comes from these villas and all theBolivians, Peruvians, and Paraguayans who are living here illegally.

Why do you say this, Va2Ba?

In my opinion, the answer to your conundrum:

I see no easy solution for this problem and especially not one that won't make everything worse for the foreseeable future.

is simple: sex education, free contraceptives.

 

[qwerty]

This government is not going to do anything about it. Cristina K's main area of support in this country comes from these villas and all theBolivians, Peruvians, and Paraguayans who are living here illegally. It was Kitchner's administration who barred the city police from working for 3 or 4 years. They have only just recently gotten back to work. (FYI, the police you see in the orange vests are federal police, working for the federal government and making next to no pay. It is the police dressed in yellow who are the city police that actually get paid well enough to do things)

Her administration, for some reason, seems to encourage these villas and the people and the crime that comes with them.

And it is to big to deal with now. How could you possible fix this problem. Going in and trying to get rid of them would cause crime toescalate to unimaginable levels. If you think that it bad now, wait until a government and society lashes back against these people and they have nothing to lose.

I see no easy solution for this problem and especially not one that won't make everything worse for the foreseeable future.

Non Argentine citizen can´t vote

 

[SaraSara]

Non Argentine citizen can´t vote

I understand legal residents can vote in LOCAL elections, but not for President.

 

[AlexfromLA]

I understand legal residents can vote in LOCAL elections, but not for President.

Temporary legal residents cannot vote in any election. I am pretty sure most of these people fall under that category.

 

[qwerty]

They can vote in local elections. About 30.000 foreigners voted in the local elections in BA in 2007

 

[qwerty]

The guy was talking about illegal aliens by the way and the only place they can vote is in there home country.

There has been a huge project(patria grande) to legalize those people but they don´t have instant access to the Argentine citizenship. It is however pretty likely they will get there citizenship just in time for the elections