Argentina’s textile sector reels as import surge hits job

Below is a link to an Infobae article from today where the head of Banco Macro brings up the credit market as an issue, and how banks haven't been allowed to offer loans in dollars (or maybe using it as collateral) for the last 20 years. This would allow lower interest loans. He suggests the government remove the law prohibiting them from that and can introduce some controls etc.

Infobae Article
 
1) You say that 1/3 of revenues are from workers withholdings and then say only a small number comply. From a quick google about 800k-1M pay income tax. or about 10% of the formal workforce (are the high earners). The fact is in the US only 50% pay federal tax because their income is too low as well. Its not really different globally, just a bit more skewed here but not unexpected amongst other developing nations. The professionals and higher earners do in fact pay. And certain industries pay their employees well above the averages (mining). Again, the point is to get them registered then in the system if they aren't paying anything anyways. The issue is that with that comes more overheads for pension/medical etc. The fact that the governments budgets are balanced currently, indicates there isn't massive amounts of new funds required. Yes they need to start projects again which are coming through loans from Interdevelopment Bank, and negotiations with the governors etc. In the future, if they can maintain responsible governance they can return to debt issuance to manage slight deficits like every other country.

2) My point is that the tax reform needs to transfer the source of taxes for provincial services from Gross Sales based to shared income tax or institute a real property (or land value) tax. These gross taxes are a huge component 5% of sales vs profits. This is why I am saying instead of them coming from businesses it should be coming from property owners. It can get passed on to tenants. No problem with that as it is a cost to operating/owning the unit. Does property tax not cover education, health care, police, garbage collection in the US and other jurisdictions?

3) IVA - this is an interesting one here, because it should be based on the category of good or service not just the type of business structure offering it (monotributos don't need to pay IVA to government but SAS, SRL, SA do). Nevertheless, I believe by issuing a Factura E invoice for sales to foreign entities you do not need to pay IVA. Factura E can be issued by monotributos also. But yes agreed, exports shouldn't be charging IVA.

Shipping
Yes I have used brokers etc in the country. Freight is far cheaper with actual logistics companies at less than $10/kg instead of the $40-50/kg quotes by the retail companies. Shipping large containers for up to 24t can cost ,$6k depending on source/destination. If you are located near BA or ports then your in country logistics will also be reduced. Different industries have different importation rights etc.

Yes the import duties benefit the industrial base here, They are protectionist policies that raise the cost (no difference than anywhere else in the world that implement them). This is part of the issue with the textile industry. It was very well protected.

The agriculture industry isn't charged export tax as I understand but rather a withholdings on the money coming in. I guess that is essentially the same. But the governments often offer windows of exemptions or lower withholdings, and they also offer them a different exchange rate. The larger producers that make up I think like 80% of the market have huge silos and warehousing capacity, so they often wait for these periods to get the benefits (similar to around election time).

The price for the Argentinian made goods all fall on the higher end of the spectrum, regardless of reason someone may buy them (fashion or technical need). Amongst the reason why is literally you mentioned in your post of the taxes and importing costs (do they use YKK zippers or a national brand?). What people are willing to pay will set the value particularly for non-necessity items. This is no different than Canada Goose jackets going for 1000s and then going for cheaper when people don't have the disposable income anymore, or cheaper versions of similar quality come out. Look at Lulelemon getting smashed with lower demand for their goods with people buying direct from China now through Aliexpress, Temu etc.

I think in Canada you can go to costco and get Levi's 505 jeans for $30, so about $22 USD. Kirkland branded for $20-30 CAD ($15-22USD). You will not find anything remotely close for the price here. Yes that is costco not a fashion house, but still between them, Target, Walmart, Marshalls, Winners, etc there is ample clothing distributors at affordable prices. Here I find much thinner denims, and the stitching to be far weaker. Yes there are some brands that make better quality, but I am talking about widely and easily available good quality. And since those brands similar to what you have mentioned do exist here, it is not impossible. It just comes a point in time when the business owners resign to the fact that the old protectionist policies are gone, at least for their industry, and embrance it. Like I mentioned before, it is not uncommon for coal mine owners or other miners to suggest that they will have to shut down due to environmental policy, taxation, other fees, etc and then the governments typically cave in or provide some incentives etc. Same with car manufacturing etc. Here, the textile owners are doing this to see if the government will flinch. If not, they will adapt. In the meantime, some will lose their job. And I know that sounds cold, and I really do feel sorry for the workers that lose their job. But it is a reality of changing economy. When Walmart was growing, how many small business closed? When Amazon grew how many shopping malls and plazas saw much less traffic (now some are selling department anchor space for warehouse to Amazon)? With the growth of Uber Eats/Doordash/ Pedidos Ya, how much less waiting staff/Tips are paid vs something to the delivery person? Coal miners used to go with a pick axe and wheel barrow, mining trucks were normal dump trucks. Now they have continuous mining at more than 10-15k tonnes per hour, and individual trucks that can carry 400+ tonnes of material per load, so 1 truck in place of 15 small ones.



Ansilta Goretex light jacket (644,000 Pesos , @1390ARS/USD = $463)
Other Gore-Tex shells ranging from $175-400
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Caputo is clearly shown online wearing a puffy. and it costs 230. I priced equivalent puffies.

Costco jeans are normally almost 50$ for levis, sometimes as low as $42 on sale.
and, in your paragraph number one- you are confusing income taxes, which nobody pays, with the taxes for retirement and health care, which are automatically deducted from all blanco salaries.
When I say 1/3 of the income the federal government receives is witheld from salaries- thats for health and retirement, NOT income taxes.
You can find all that info online...

My customs broker charged me a flat $250USD minimum for handling my machine. Which had a prepaid shipping included cost of $750USD. In addition, there was 21% IVA, and 2% or so duty, and the DHL handling charges of 300,000 pesos. Which is a helluva lot more than ten dollars a kilo.
If I had imported an entire container full, maybe. But as far as I know, this is the only machine of its type in Argentina.
 
Caputo is clearly shown online wearing a puffy. and it costs 230. I priced equivalent puffies.

Costco jeans are normally almost 50$ for levis, sometimes as low as $42 on sale.
and, in your paragraph number one- you are confusing income taxes, which nobody pays, with the taxes for retirement and health care, which are automatically deducted from all blanco salaries.
When I say 1/3 of the income the federal government receives is witheld from salaries- thats for health and retirement, NOT income taxes.
You can find all that info online...

My customs broker charged me a flat $250USD minimum for handling my machine. Which had a prepaid shipping included cost of $750USD. In addition, there was 21% IVA, and 2% or so duty, and the DHL handling charges of 300,000 pesos. Which is a helluva lot more than ten dollars a kilo.
If I had imported an entire container full, maybe. But as far as I know, this is the only machine of its type in Argentina.
I am aware that the 16% (pension) and 8% (health) are paid by employer in addition to pay, and that is for all legal wage earners.That is in addition not withheld from salaries. Hence real cost of employment is 16% pension, 8% health), 8.5% (13th month split between june and december or november, and another month for liquidation (when you release an employee) is actually about 40% than their salary. And I stated that most legal employees don't pay any income tax. My point is the *provincial* taxes are extremely heavy at 3-5%. and the federal tax for crediting and withdrawing from accounts is also very hard at 1.2 to 2.4%. That is why the tax reform isn't just an exercise for the federal government but it requires getting all the provinces on board. It will require more administration etc. But it would do a better job shifting the burden from businesses only. When I lived in a 1BR apartment, I paid about $30/y for the property tax I think. And I think someone recentrly mentioned that the property in Nequen had increased by 700-800% but I could be remembering incorrectly.

Maybe Costco in Canada is just cheaper than Costco USA. That is what I have paid for them.

My point regarding shipping, is that many large companies will have points of freight forwarding. So things get repackaged and consolidated for shipping. So a brokerage fee and freight become relatively neglible on shipping. Hence the worlds ability to outsource supply chains and divide it up based on best location for each input. Yes they air freight portion can be pretty cheap.

New point, not building off previous statements in other countries where you use services to get things from the US regularly, they do just charge buy weight, and now it might be about $10/kg for retail (get it delivered to Miami for example and the cost gets it forwarded from Miami to the country you are in and includes everything, brokerage, air freight and handling, and delivery either to your house or to a pickup location in your city. the only thing not included would be duties that need to be paid above the free allowance). If you have heavy items, they offer shipping by sea which takes longer, but is much much cheaper.
 
So their corporate tax is disproportionate and not sure if thats limited to just income tax or the other taxes as well (gross revenues and transfer taxes) or if those fall under the other taxes. Argentina also taxes property (Assets) 2.5x as much as other LATAM countries.

Trying to compare different economies when some are based on tourism, others resources, and others are far more complete. And how do we compare the level of safety, medical, education and other services provided by the government to the population?

This is also a tough graph to really use because of the huge range of economies in Latam from Wikipedia:
Latin America and the Caribbean by estimated GDP 2025 (nominal)[2]

Rank Country GDP (nominal) (millions of US$) GDP (nominal) per capita (US$)
1 Brazil 2,130,391 9,960
2 Mexico 1,690,025 12,690
3 Argentina 683,530 14,360
4 Colombia 438,121 8,250
5 Chile 343,820 17,020
6 Peru 303,298 8,810
7 Dominican Republic 127,830 11,740
8 Ecuador 125,682 6,940
9 Guatemala 121,180 5,678
10 Venezuela 108,510 3,867
11 Costa Rica 102,590 19,100
12 Panama 91,680 20,080
13 Uruguay 79,735 22,069
14 Bolivia 56,340 4,530
15 Paraguay 45,470 6,524
16 Honduras 38,170 3,520
17 El Salvador 36,750 5,720
19 Haiti 33,550 2,670
18 Trinidad and Tobago 26,470 18,440
20 Guyana 25,820 32,330
21 Jamaica 21,098 7,780
22 Nicaragua 21,160 3,020
23 The Bahamas 15,180 36,780
24 Barbados 7,553 25,900
25 Suriname 4,510 6,860
26 Belize 3,610 8,650
27 Saint Lucia 2,630 14,500
28 Antigua and Barbuda 2,370 22,630
29 Grenada 1,460 12,590
30 Saint Kitts and Nevis 1,130 21,910
31 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 1,240 11,160
32 Dominica 748 9,870
 
We are in agreement that tax reform is needed, nationally and provincially.
We may differ on some of the details.

However, in terms of this article, I still maintain that Caputo of full of it when he says Argentine clothes cost. " two, three, four, or even ten times the price of textiles and footwear worldwide".

It is true that imported high markup global brand names like Nike or Patagonia are more expensive in Argentina, but that is entirely due to tariffs, taxes, and importation costs.
Its also true that really low priced, low quality fast fashion, made from synthetic fabrics in sweat shops in Bangladesh, Vietnam, or Indonesia, was cheaper in the USA before Trump tariffs.

Actual Argentine made clothing are cost competitive with similar things in most categories in North America. I cant speak for Europe or Australia, as I dont live there.

But I live 6 months north/ 6 months south, so I do apples for apples purchases, and for many of the things I buy, the facts are simple-

The US is more expensive.
I live on a farm, and I am very hard on work clothes, and I am a welder and blacksmith.
That means I wear out 100% cotton clothes for fire safety reasons.

Good cotton work shirts from Ombu or Pampero are around $25usd here, and average $50usd there, but can go up to $100usd.

sturdy non fashion work jeans are currently 32,000 pesos from Ombu, and $50 to $75 usd from Levis, wrangler, and carhartt.

Nice 100% cotton dress shirts here are in the 75,000 peso range, and made to order are in the 150,000 peso range.
In the US, real cotton, as opposed to poly blend dress shirts are more like $75 to $100. Brooks Brothers off the shelf are $135.
I would imagine Caputo wears such shirts, and, unless he is wearing the Bangladeshi stretch cotton/poly ones from Mens Warehouse, which are twenty to twenty five dollars, my guess is his shirts cost twice as much in NYC or Miami as they do here.

Handmade leather dress shoes are a couple hundred dollars here, and that reminds me, my carpincho desert boots are resoled and ready to be picked up at correa.
Similar boots in London or NYC would cost 3 to 5 times what they cost here.
Even simple rubber boots- cheaper and better here.

As I said before, the pics of Caputo seem to show him wearing a $300 Patagonia puffy. Plenty of non-name brand, but just as warm puffys made here for $100usd or less. Not ten times more, as he claims.

I pay attention to clothes, I know fabrics, and I enjoy shopping.
I have been sewing for at least 50 years.
So I find the value here, and skip the overpriced knockoffs of trendy stuff, but in general, I buy a good portion of my wardrobe here, rather than in el norte.
Certainly, there are some very expensive brands here- but even a canvas vest suitable for an Estancia owner, at Cardon, is about the same price as my Carhartt vest in the USA. Arandu, Cardon, and similar Cheto supply stores are considered very pricy here, and are just not even in the same range as a store like that would be in the USA.
 
Here is calculator and information if you want to import. Seems to be Ai generated advice in real time. Gives the tariff code and lists the fees depending on your researched product
 
Here is calculator and information if you want to import. Seems to be Ai generated advice in real time. Gives the tariff code and lists the fees depending on your researched product
yet another case of who ya gonna believe-
the internet, or your own lying eyes?
I actually imported a $750 sewing machine last year.
It required a customs broker fee of $200, a DHL "handling fee" on a prepaid freight shipment of 300,000 pesos, an IVA of the entire 750, and a 2% tariff.
I was sent an invoice.
This is what is happening in the real world.
Sure, there are companies that are direct shipping small purchases that cost less.
And there are big companies that bring in containers full, and magically pay very little.
but there is no transparency, no consistentcy, and its very common for the actual price to vary wildly from your magical website, as evidenced by my actual experiences.
The system is a complete mess, enforcement, information, and fees are all over the place, and most govt departments are seriously understaffed, and playing it by ear.
It is, as we say in my country, a quilombo. (that means clusterfuck in US slang)
 
yet another case of who ya gonna believe-
the internet, or your own lying eyes?
I actually imported a $750 sewing machine last year.
It required a customs broker fee of $200, a DHL "handling fee" on a prepaid freight shipment of 300,000 pesos, an IVA of the entire 750, and a 2% tariff.
I was sent an invoice.
This is what is happening in the real world.
Sure, there are companies that are direct shipping small purchases that cost less.
And there are big companies that bring in containers full, and magically pay very little.
but there is no transparency, no consistentcy, and its very common for the actual price to vary wildly from your magical website, as evidenced by my actual experiences.
The system is a complete mess, enforcement, information, and fees are all over the place, and most govt departments are seriously understaffed, and playing it by ear.
It is, as we say in my country, a quilombo. (that means clusterfuck in US slang)
I understand your position. But I think its related to how its done.
One off shipments as an individual will always cost more. Even in the US. Business rates for shipping with FedEx, UPS are different than customer rates, and they also can vary based on quantity.
In terms of brokerage fees, those aren't the duties themselves, and again they can vary.
If you bring in a container, your brokerage fee may still be just a few hundred dollars, even if the bill of loading is a million dollars I believe, and you have 5000 different items inside.
There are other places the freight forwarders that charge a flat fee per kilo and thats inclusive for all. Here I have seen them charge $40-50/kg but to me that is ridiculous. In other countries it was $6-10/kg I think, maybe a bit more now. I really don't understand why it is as high as it is here as cargo shipping isn't that expensive. But again, the way they operate is they will consolidate a bunch of boxes into a single bag for instance, use cargo shipping rates on airlines or with commercial cargo companies, and they streamline the process. This is why many businesses prefer to just deal with importers rather than import themselves.

Your experience is very much in line with many peoples experience elsewhere globally. If you are over the de minimis allowance you can get stung with the brokerage fees and admin costs from the couriers. Similar experiences when people try to buy something for the first time off Ali Baba but they don't have a logistics/freight provider, and it becomes a huge mess, and then you have to pay "rent" for the delays it is held in customs.
 
I understand your position. But I think its related to how its done.
One off shipments as an individual will always cost more. Even in the US. Business rates for shipping with FedEx, UPS are different than customer rates, and they also can vary based on quantity.
In terms of brokerage fees, those aren't the duties themselves, and again they can vary.
If you bring in a container, your brokerage fee may still be just a few hundred dollars, even if the bill of loading is a million dollars I believe, and you have 5000 different items inside.
There are other places the freight forwarders that charge a flat fee per kilo and thats inclusive for all. Here I have seen them charge $40-50/kg but to me that is ridiculous. In other countries it was $6-10/kg I think, maybe a bit more now. I really don't understand why it is as high as it is here as cargo shipping isn't that expensive. But again, the way they operate is they will consolidate a bunch of boxes into a single bag for instance, use cargo shipping rates on airlines or with commercial cargo companies, and they streamline the process. This is why many businesses prefer to just deal with importers rather than import themselves.

Your experience is very much in line with many peoples experience elsewhere globally. If you are over the de minimis allowance you can get stung with the brokerage fees and admin costs from the couriers. Similar experiences when people try to buy something for the first time off Ali Baba but they don't have a logistics/freight provider, and it becomes a huge mess, and then you have to pay "rent" for the delays it is held in customs.
I have been importing, and occasionally, exporting, small amounts of weird stuff for quite a while, and, no, its not in line with any experiences I have had in other places, particularly in the USA, and sending things to canada or europe.
I used to manufacture a small line of housewares- and sometimes sell things to stores in northern europe or canada.
not like this at all. Usually I filled out the exact form my sewing machine manufacturer filled out, and that was it.

For example, I bought the exact same machine, from the same supplier in India, 3 years ago, to be shipped to the USA.
ZERO customs charges, taxes, tariffs, or delivery surcharges, at my door from New Dehli in one week, prepaid.
Here, 2 to 3 weeks, mostly being processed by DHL and the government, with much added expense and red tape.
The company in Dehli sells them to Africa, or Asia, or Europe, weekly, with no problems.

and I periodically have bought machinery, or oddball supplies, from asia or europe, and, again, most of these fees and complications did not exist. Its true I have had to pay customs brokers for large crated machinery shipped by sea, from europe, but much less, and much quicker and easier, than here, in the USA.


One of the things that makes Argentina unique, and valuable globally, is the incredible number of small manufacturers, most with pretty unusual products and decent quality.
And they are mostly not importing container loads- thats what Aldi or Target or Walmart do, with the subsequent commonality of cheap mass produced consumer goods.
The very thing that makes Argentine production saleable abroad is what is made more difficult by the small scale imports being so expensive.
The government could choose to help local industry, both to produce for domestic consumption, and for export.
Instead it does a very good job of hindering.
 
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