Argentina makes international news for...cops beating up old people.

[antipodean]

sometimes you have to '' fight fire with fire ''

And by that logic the government or tax-paying vigilantes should literally go and burn down the cars or houses of those who partook/ partake in the torching of public property so that before you know it things spiral into an senseless cycle of violence with increasingly abstract definitions of what constitutes "fire" and who cast the first spark until everything and everyone is engulfed by flames. I much prefer to live in an Argentina without such bullshit, personally.

But perhaps that is exactly what psychos with violent tendencies in any society crave? To stoke and provoke conflict for a chance to "justify" their own selfish thrill-seeking by seeking out "a cause" to fight for as a "victim". With that cover they can then mitigate their own violent words and actions against others to make them more palatable, and less likely to face consequences, if and when exposed knowing that eventually they will need to go back to their "day jobs" and being a "nice guy" once their thrill is over.

 

[ArgentinaVet]

So why weren't they fighting fire with fire when Alberto cut their pensions? It's happened with every govt since Macri. Hypocrites, or folks with another political agenda that has nothing to do with pensions.

The irony is that the roughly $400 USD minimum pension in Argentina is actually higher than the minimum pension in either Portugal, Greece, Hungary or the Czech Republic. The problem of course is that the purchasing power of that $400 USD has been eviscerated and basic goods such as food, pharmaceuticals and services/utilities have become so expensive in USD that they aer almost out of reach for retirees.

 

[Redpossum]

The irony is that the roughly $400 USD minimum pension in Argentina is actually higher than the minimum pension in either Portugal, Greece, Hungary or the Czech Republic. The problem of course is that the purchasing power of that $400 USD has been eviscerated and basic goods such as food, pharmaceuticals and services/utilities have become so expensive in USD that they aer almost out of reach for retirees.

Hear him

 

[Stantucker]

The irony is that the roughly $400 USD minimum pension in Argentina is actually higher than the minimum pension in either Portugal, Greece, Hungary or the Czech Republic. The problem of course is that the purchasing power of that $400 USD has been eviscerated and basic goods such as food, pharmaceuticals and services/utilities have become so expensive in USD that they aer almost out of reach for retirees.

No one is disputing those kinds of figures. Retirees are in the worse shape they've ever been in, possibly.

The second half of this thread has centered on the kind of violence that surfaced a few days ago and when Macri was in power. Pensioners were in even worse shape when Alberto lowered their pensions than under Macri, but surprisingly we didn't hear anything from pensioners' leftist and K thug sympathizers then. Kind of makes you wonder what this is really all about.

 

[Dim Witty]

And by that logic the government or tax-paying vigilantes should literally go and burn down the cars or houses of those who partook/ partake in the torching of public property so that before you know it things spiral into an senseless cycle of violence with increasingly abstract definitions of what constitutes "fire" and who cast the first spark until everything and everyone is engulfed by flames. I much prefer to live in an Argentina without such bullshit, personally.

But perhaps that is exactly what psychos with violent tendencies in any society crave? To stoke and provoke conflict for a chance to "justify" their own selfish thrill-seeking by seeking out "a cause" to fight for as a "victim". With that cover they can then mitigate their own violent words and actions against others to make them more palatable, and less likely to face consequences, if and when exposed knowing that eventually they will need to go back to their "day jobs" and being a "nice guy" once their thrill is over.

Does it really surprise anyone that some people, often the products of generations of poverty, lack of education and health care, addiction, mental health problems, and now facing a repressive, fascist government on the way to replacing the state with an oligarchy which supports autocratic control, military values and forcibly suppresses opposition would be just a tiny bit pissed and act on their frustrations? Walk a mile in their shoes, why dontcha?
And does it surprise you that the government plants troublemakers to justify their horrific repression?
If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.

 

[Redpossum]

Man, I swear, this thread is an in-a-nutshell example of what's so great about these forums. When I started it Thursday morning, I more or less expected it to be ignored. But here we are nearly to the bottom of a third page, and we have everything from passionate debate on social justice to some users, (looking at you, Henry), expressing their spanking fantasies. (Not that I'm trying to kink-shame him, mind you; in the immortal words of John Lennon, whatever gets you through the night.)

As often and as passionately as we disagree, we all keep coming back for more, don't we? And that's why I love these forums. There's never a dull moment!

God bless you, one and all!

 

[MilHojas]

Photographer in coma after Argentina police hit pensioner protest hard

Photographer in coma and scores injured as police use teargas, rubber bullets and water cannon against retirees

www.theguardian.com

Archived version

Milei defends police crackdown at retiree march: ‘The good guys are the ones in blue’ - Buenos Aires Herald

Speaking at Expoagro, the president also vowed to eliminate currency controls and export duties 'forever’

buenosairesherald.com

 

[carride]

If I recall correctly in 2008 it was people who worked their lives and saved into private pensions who were setback at that time . K-ristina forced the private enterprises to merge their $30B into the State system. I think she needed as a slush fund to pay off debts they had borrowed when they never imagined that the commodities boom would ever end.

Argentina Nationalizes $30 Billion in Private Pensions

archive.nytimes.com

According to the plan, all the assets in individual accounts would be transferred to the state’s “pay as you go” system, and affiliation to the state system would be mandatory, effectively putting an end to the current dual system.

 

[Redpossum]

Un nuevo video muestra cómo y quién dispara a Pablo Grillo | Todas las imágenes desmienten a Bullrich

La evidencia que continúa apareciendo sigue dejando en claro que la trayectoria del proyectil fue recta, algo que había determinado el perito Rodolfo Pregliasco.

www-pagina12-com-ar.translate.goog

The usual Google Translate deal, banner is in Castellano and story will initially appear in that tongue, but wait a few seconds and it will change to English.

This article, in spite of the title, doesn't contain a video, but rather a screenshot from the video in question. It also uses the word "throws" when we would say "launches" since the grenade came from a shoulder fired grenade launcher, and was not thrown by hand.

Other than that, it's pretty damning. It clearly shows that Bullrich lied, and it clearly shows that the Gendarme in question fired directly at the photographer, rather than up into the air at a 45-degree angle as the rules require.

However you may feel about the barrabravas and all the rest, intentionally targeting members of the media, who are just taking pictures, is not exactly the behaviour one would expect from the government of a free country.

 

[billyarboles]

So many seem to base their positions on political violence, shutting down a free press, etc. based on whether the perpetrators/victims are 'left' or 'right' instead of democratic or autocratic. The ends always seem to justify the means - as long as those committing the violence, shutting down the press share the same ideology. It's why many feel that politicians and those who slavishly and unquestioningly follow them are jokes walking around with their heads up their you-know-what. Autocracy and the use of political goons are not exclusive to either the right or the left. But I'll admit it is much easier for politicians to distract and divide the public with the whole left/right dichotomy. Yet another reason to believe that no real solutions to the real issues we all face will come from politicians.