Argentina makes international news for...cops beating up old people.

[antipodean]

sometimes you have to '' fight fire with fire ''

And by that logic the government or tax-paying vigilantes should literally go and burn down the cars or houses of those who partook/ partake in the torching of public property so that before you know it things spiral into an senseless cycle of violence with increasingly abstract definitions of what constitutes "fire" and who cast the first spark until everything and everyone is engulfed by flames. I much prefer to live in an Argentina without such bullshit, personally.

But perhaps that is exactly what psychos with violent tendencies in any society crave? To stoke and provoke conflict for a chance to "justify" their own selfish thrill-seeking by seeking out "a cause" to fight for as a "victim". With that cover they can then mitigate their own violent words and actions against others to make them more palatable, and less likely to face consequences, if and when exposed knowing that eventually they will need to go back to their "day jobs" and being a "nice guy" once their thrill is over.

 

[ArgentinaVet]

So why weren't they fighting fire with fire when Alberto cut their pensions? It's happened with every govt since Macri. Hypocrites, or folks with another political agenda that has nothing to do with pensions.

The irony is that the roughly $400 USD minimum pension in Argentina is actually higher than the minimum pension in either Portugal, Greece, Hungary or the Czech Republic. The problem of course is that the purchasing power of that $400 USD has been eviscerated and basic goods such as food, pharmaceuticals and services/utilities have become so expensive in USD that they aer almost out of reach for retirees.

 

[Redpossum]

The irony is that the roughly $400 USD minimum pension in Argentina is actually higher than the minimum pension in either Portugal, Greece, Hungary or the Czech Republic. The problem of course is that the purchasing power of that $400 USD has been eviscerated and basic goods such as food, pharmaceuticals and services/utilities have become so expensive in USD that they aer almost out of reach for retirees.

Hear him

 

[Stantucker]

The irony is that the roughly $400 USD minimum pension in Argentina is actually higher than the minimum pension in either Portugal, Greece, Hungary or the Czech Republic. The problem of course is that the purchasing power of that $400 USD has been eviscerated and basic goods such as food, pharmaceuticals and services/utilities have become so expensive in USD that they aer almost out of reach for retirees.

No one is disputing those kinds of figures. Retirees are in the worse shape they've ever been in, possibly.

The second half of this thread has centered on the kind of violence that surfaced a few days ago and when Macri was in power. Pensioners were in even worse shape when Alberto lowered their pensions than under Macri, but surprisingly we didn't hear anything from pensioners' leftist and K thug sympathizers then. Kind of makes you wonder what this is really all about.

 

[Dim Witty]

And by that logic the government or tax-paying vigilantes should literally go and burn down the cars or houses of those who partook/ partake in the torching of public property so that before you know it things spiral into an senseless cycle of violence with increasingly abstract definitions of what constitutes "fire" and who cast the first spark until everything and everyone is engulfed by flames. I much prefer to live in an Argentina without such bullshit, personally.

But perhaps that is exactly what psychos with violent tendencies in any society crave? To stoke and provoke conflict for a chance to "justify" their own selfish thrill-seeking by seeking out "a cause" to fight for as a "victim". With that cover they can then mitigate their own violent words and actions against others to make them more palatable, and less likely to face consequences, if and when exposed knowing that eventually they will need to go back to their "day jobs" and being a "nice guy" once their thrill is over.

Does it really surprise anyone that some people, often the products of generations of poverty, lack of education and health care, addiction, mental health problems, and now facing a repressive, fascist government on the way to replacing the state with an oligarchy which supports autocratic control, military values and forcibly suppresses opposition would be just a tiny bit pissed and act on their frustrations? Walk a mile in their shoes, why dontcha?
And does it surprise you that the government plants troublemakers to justify their horrific repression?
If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.

 

[Redpossum]

Man, I swear, this thread is an in-a-nutshell example of what's so great about these forums. When I started it Thursday morning, I more or less expected it to be ignored. But here we are nearly to the bottom of a third page, and we have everything from passionate debate on social justice to some users, (looking at you, Henry), expressing their spanking fantasies. (Not that I'm trying to kink-shame him, mind you; in the immortal words of John Lennon, whatever gets you through the night.)

As often and as passionately as we disagree, we all keep coming back for more, don't we? And that's why I love these forums. There's never a dull moment!

God bless you, one and all!