davonz said:I hope my argentine friends see it in the paper as they dont believe me when i tell them there is no corruption in NZ..
Here goes a question I've had on my head for some time now. Does anybody think that Rod Blagojevich would still be governor had he been in Argentina instead of Illinois? I personally think he -very likely- would still be.ElQueso said:(...) The US, for example, has little corruption and bribery on most levels of the public services and such - I'm not talking about kickbacks to contractors and other idiocies at much higher, and more private, levels - when it is found out, it is punished, but it is often not found out. (...)
Report to whom? Police is an active part of the corruption, like in Russia. As expats, we can only witness what is going on, there is absolutely no way you can change the culture. You could just refuse to bribe on a personal scale, but this upright attitude can be very costly and time consuming, like swimming against the tide.cricri58 said:Yes, they publish it in La Nacion too. Argentina ranks badly , with only one point difference ! with Haiti. As both locals and expats living here know or should know, whether you like it or not, however your upright values have shaped you or not, it seems that we are in the same boat. Do you feel it is hopeless to try to struggle against it? And how, if there is something that can be done? Were you tempted to have the courage to, let us say, “report” someone you know for corruption? We are quite far from the Italian film “Gomorra” on Napoli ‘s organized crime, however.... Chris
Chile and Uruguay are tied for 25th on that list, right below France. I read somewhere that trying to bribe a cop in Chile will land you in prison, which is, of course, the way things are supposed to be.fifilafiloche said:Report to whom? Police is an active part of the corruption, like in Russia. As expats, we can only witness what is going on, there is absolutely no way you can change the culture. You could just refuse to bribe on a personal scale, but this upright attitude can be very costly and time consuming, like swimming against the tide.
The way out? Argentina might want to keep an eye on their chilean neighbour rather than Venezuela. Corruption is not an inevitable latin american syndrom, the way out is slow, difficult, but possible. It lies in education and law enforcement. Uruguay, Chile, Brazil chose to head to a more modern and transparent democracy. Uribe in Colombia, despite the civil war, has the same goal.
For this, there needs to be a political will to balance juridical, executive and legislative powers and be vigilent about the separation of those powers.