Argentina: The Problem Is the State

[Rich One]

Wednesday on the Intratables TV program a Cantante de Cumbia Villera. El Dipy, asked from a lady Diputado from the current government Have you reduced your salary ? she avoided the question and responded.
" We have given substantial aid for the poor, the 10 K bonuses, the IFE , the plans , and other assistance"
El Dipy retorted you make it sound like a gift from AF but those were our tax dollars , that also pay you..!

 

[Dougie]

Wouldn't a critique of the article be more constructive than a critique of the source?

If the article is correct, the problematic source is unimportant in this case. If it's wrong, shoot away.

For me, there's nothing wrong with the article on the surface and most of what's written is obviously true. That said, I don't think it adds anything other than taking an opportunity to attack Argentina. Fair enough, but I don't see the point of the article even if it is mostly on point.

You're right semigoodlookin. That would be the rational thing for me to do. I just have an automatic aversion to that publications because of all the violence they have promoted over the years.

I think the overarching theme of the article is correct about the problems of Peronismo, Kirchnerismo, Macri, etc. As you commented, it doesn't really add much to the conversation of what has already been said a million times. I'm guessing the average reader doesn't have the same amount of knowledge about Argentina as us though.

 

[Rich One]

Since you're going to make this personal, you should know that I also regularly consult the Financial Times and the Harvard Business Review.

Some may want to comment on your reading preferences..!

 

[London2Baires]

Nice bunch of people, founded and funded by the Birch Society right wing conspiracy theorist nutters. In many ways these people are the 'intelectual' or 'presentsble' side of some pretty ugly stuff.

For those who are interested, the Southern Poverty Law Centre wrote a fascinating article on these guys a few years back:

Bringing Back Birch

The John Birch Society, the conspiracist group exiled by the right a half century ago, is on the march and gaining influence

www.splcenter.org

Further info on the funding sources and history of the National Review:

National Review - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT BIAS These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Know your bedfellows.

Cheers!

 

[Renzi]

Nice bunch of people, founded and funded by the Birch Society right wing conspiracy theorist nutters. In many ways these people are the 'intelectual' or 'presentsble' side of some pretty ugly stuff.

For those who are interested, the Southern Poverty Law Centre wrote a fascinating article on these guys a few years back:

Bringing Back Birch

The John Birch Society, the conspiracist group exiled by the right a half century ago, is on the march and gaining influence

www.splcenter.org

Further info on the funding sources and history of the National Review:

National Review - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT BIAS These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Know your bedfellows.

Cheers!

Bob Dylan: Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues

"So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin' down the road
Yee-hoo, I'm a real John Bircher now
Look out you Commies

Now we all agree with Hitlers' views
Although he killed six million Jews
It don't matter too much that he was a Fascist
At least you can't say he was a Communist
That's to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria."

 

[TheDonald]

Economist Simon Kuznets said:

"There are four kinds of countries: developed countries, underdeveloped countries, Japan, and Argentina."

 

[London2Baires]

Economist Simon Kuznets said:

"There are four kinds of countries: developed countries, underdeveloped countries, Japan, and Argentina."

The way 'developed' countries do things is the best way for sure. Trickle up economics is a boon for the markets and ruling classes. We need more of that, yay!

 

[dsp27]

The way 'developed' countries do things is the best way for sure. Trickle up economics is a boon for the markets and ruling classes. We need more of that, yay!

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While productivity as gone up, average weekly work hours have also gone down. The average person in 1970 worked I think 10-15 hours/week more than the average person today. All this points to an inevitable shortening of the work week moving forward. Work days should not be on average longer than 5-6 hours and Fridays should be off. A 20 hour work week is the future. This would increase general life satisfaction, reduce unemployment (especially among the young), encourage automation, and perhaps even increase spending. People should be encourage to work way into their 70s-80s. Change careers 2-3 time in a lifetime...
Instead we work people to the bone, they are miserable, depressed, tired, fat or obese, unhealthy, and need to retire at 65 because they are sick.

 

[UK Man]

I read the article and i basically agree with
A) summary of how we got here
B) current problems (overspending, corrupt state apparatus)
C) solution (open up the economy, rule of law)

Sadly i also do agree with the statement that there is not much chance that this will change any time soon. Argentinians (although heading into a social and economic meltdown) seem to be overall quite happy with the current system. Viva Perón!

Agreed.
Been living and coming here for over 20 years and not a lot has changed for the better. Had hoped that Macri might get the chance but he was never going to have enough time, hence we're back to square one. Will it ever change? I don't see it. As you say enough of the population seem quite happy with their lot as they don't know any better due to Argentinas isolation on the world map.

 

[Alpinista]

Agreed.
Been living and coming here for over 20 years and not a lot has changed for the better. Had hoped that Macri might get the chance but he was never going to have enough time, hence we're back to square one. Will it ever change? I don't see it. As you say enough of the population seem quite happy with their lot as they don't know any better due to Argentinas isolation on the world map.

It always amazes me to see that even the Argentinians who were forced to move for economic reasons (a couple of our family members left in 2002, others in 2014), keep defending the socialist model of Argentina (not only defined by Peronism, but mainly). So while heading to “capitalist” countries, they keep supporting the very political and economic model that forced them to leave (And we agree that most Argentinians dont leave light heartedly). So there is a big discrepancy between ideology and what they are actually doing.

I dont even want to go into the campaign socialists (the “Che Guevaras”), who have earned all their wealth and resources in the cruel, capitalist north and now spend the money here in an impoverished country defending a socialist, protectionist, corrupt model.