Best Place In Argentina For Self Preservation

[steveinbsas]

and even if the 99% of climate scientists are all wrong most of the climate change measures are good thing

1. Cut down pollution (don't shit where you sleep)
2. Improves power security (easier for countries to produce their own)
3. Improves power stability (people can easier cope with cuts/problems)
4. Stimulates innovation (always good)
5. Create jobs based on all the above
6. Oil, coal and gas are finite.

It would be interesting to know how "most of the climate change measures are a good thing" when this is happening:


"Spiraling energy bills contributed to 24,000 deaths last winter, as many elderly people cut back on their heating."

‘Energy prices are already much higher than last winter and they are predicted to rise further which could leave many more older people at risk.

http://www.dailymail...ling-bills.html

(November 2012)

And 24,000 more Brits were predicted to die this winter because they cannot afford to properly heat their homes:

http://iceagenow.inf...ie-cold-winter/

(October 2013)

The following article offers an explanation as well as details of Britain's efforts to deal with the energy crisis brought on by "climate change measures" by " bringing coal plants online that were shuttered due to strict environmental regulations."

http://dailycaller.c...ergy-rationing/

It's a good time for a Brit to be an expat in Argentina.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

It's a good time for a Brit to be an expat in Argentina.

First of all, someone should explain to the Pottertarians that, when it's winter in the Northern Hemisphere, it's summer in the South.

And if they must depend on the Daily Mail for their information, well, its credentials are not illustrious: "Lord Rothermere was a friend of Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, and directed the Mail's editorial stance towards them in the early 1930s.[sup] [/sup]Rothermere's 1933 leader "Youth Triumphant" praised the new Nazi regime's accomplishments, and was subsequently used as propaganda by them. In it, Rothermere predicted that "The minor misdeeds of individual Nazis would be submerged by the immense benefits the new regime is already bestowing upon Germany".

 

[Jaredberryman]

"Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not pollution and Global Warming has nothing to do with pollution. The average person has been misled and is confused about what the current Global Warming debate is about, greenhouse gases. None of which has anything to do with air pollution. People are confusing Smog, Carbon Monoxide (CO) and the pollutants in car exhaust with the life supporting, essential trace gas in our atmosphere, Carbon Dioxide (CO2). Pollution is already regulated under the Clean Air Act and regulating Carbon Dioxide (CO2) will do absolutely nothing to make the air you breath "cleaner".

http://www.popularte...-pollution.html

PS: Carbon dioxide (CO2) is odorless and you and I are "spewing: it into the air with every breath we take.

Hmmm..perhaps I meant to say that the CO2 that comes from our mouths is not quite like the exhaust that comes from your car. Could it be that there are a few elements in it that might be bad for you? Scientists do not disagree on that one for sure. Not everyone agrees on global warming, but they are definitely in agreement on the negative effect of car exhaust and plant/factory waste on people's daily health. No experiment has ever been done that has shown that there is no difference between what comes from your body and what comes from a tailpipe, for instance. It really does take a toll on our health and takes years off of our lives. That is pretty much fact we can bank on.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Hmmm..perhaps I meant to say that the CO2 that comes from our mouths is not quite like the exhaust that comes from your car. Could it be that there are a few elements in it that might be bad for you? Scientists do not disagree on that one for sure. Not everyone agrees on global warming, but they are definitely in agreement on the negative effect of car exhaust and plant/factory waste on people's daily health. No experiment has ever been done that has shown that there is no difference between what comes from your body and what comes from a tailpipe, for instance. It really does take a toll on our health and takes years off of our lives. That is pretty much fact we can bank on.

It doesn't get any more toxic than the CO2 expelled by mouth-breathers at fortified compounds near Bahía Blanca.

 

[scotttswan]

It would be interesting to know how "most of the climate change measures are a good thing" when this is happening:


"Spiraling energy bills contributed to 24,000 deaths last winter, as many elderly people cut back on their heating."

‘Energy prices are already much higher than last winter and they are predicted to rise further which could leave many more older people at risk.

http://www.dailymail...ling-bills.html

(November 2012)

And 24,000 more Brits were predicted to die this winter because they cannot afford to properly heat their homes:

http://iceagenow.inf...ie-cold-winter/

(October 2013)

The following article offers an explanation as well as details of Britain's efforts to deal with the energy crisis brought on by "climate change measures" by " bringing coal plants online that were shuttered due to strict environmental regulations."

http://dailycaller.c...ergy-rationing/

It's a good time for a Brit to be an expat in Argentina.

Did you read those articles? Even ignoring the questionable sources, the first two are highlighting the problems with British housing and how they desperately need to be insulated better. Compared to Scandinavian houses the UK's houses are terrible.

Insulating them is part of the needed climate change measures. The UK is only going to get colder, Edinburgh is further north than Moscow!
As for the poor old people, that's the fault of governments not providing a decent enough pension for them to survive on. Along with the Insulation, they really need to provide a bigger winter fuel payment.

The main problem with Britain's power is years of neglect and mismanagement in the private sector when Thatcher sold it all off. Of course now that the ageing nuclear power stations are creaking and should have been replaced and expanded years ago.
Why would the private sector invest in a Nuclear power plant that isn't going to pay off unless they receive assurances of investment recovery and returns that beat their alternative short-term investments.

Fossil fuels are only going to get more expensive and eventually run out. Wind and Solar along with Nuclear and Hydro could easily provide all the electrical needs of the UK.
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

Just check out France's Grid.

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/france/

The EU needs a complete plan, Wind, Solar, Pumped Storage, Nuclear, Geothermal and BECCS are all needed along with future technology like Fusion that should pay off soon.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Did you read those articles? Even ignoring the questionable sources, the first two are highlighting the problems with British housing and how they desperately need to be insulated better. Compared to Scandinavian houses the UK's houses are terrible.

Insulating them is part of the needed climate change measures. The UK is only going to get colder, Edinburgh is further north than Moscow!
As for the poor old people, that's the fault of governments not providing a decent enough pension for them to survive on. Along with the Insulation, they really need to provide a bigger winter fuel payment.

The main problem with Britain's power is years of neglect and mismanagement in the private sector when Thatcher sold it all off. Of course now that the ageing nuclear power stations are creaking and should have been replaced and expanded years ago.
Why would the private sector invest in a Nuclear power plant that isn't going to pay off unless they receive assurances of investment recovery and returns that beat their alternative short-term investments.

Fossil fuels are only going to get more expensive and eventually run out. Wind and Solar along with Nuclear and Hydro could easily provide all the electrical needs of the UK.
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

Just check out France's Grid.

http://www.gridwatch...r.co.uk/france/

The EU needs a complete plan, Wind, Solar, Pumped Storage, Nuclear, Geothermal and BECCS are all needed along with future technology like Fusion that should pay off soon.

The UK is not necessarily going to get colder - it does benefit from the Gulf Stream - but it could see more extreme weather events. You are absolutely right that alternative energy, insulation, and improved housing stock are imperative.

 

[scotttswan]

The UK is not necessarily going to get colder - it does benefit from the Gulf Stream - but it could see more extreme weather events. You are absolutely right that alternative energy, insulation, and improved housing stock are imperative.

The Gulf Stream is not a constant, It may move south it may move north no one really knows at the moment, it can also weaken. There is a theory that when the cool water starts steaming from the melted Greenland ice-sheet it will "push" the warm water south so it hits Spain turning it into a desert, leaving the UK and northern Europe much much colder.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

The Gulf Stream is not a constant, It may move south it may move north no one really knows at the moment, it can also weaken. There is a theory that when the cool water starts steaming from the melted Greenland ice-sheet it will "push" the warm water south so it hits Spain turning it into a desert, leaving the UK and northern Europe much much colder.

It's always worth noting that global warming is a macro-event, and that local conditions may vary considerably. Also, warming can even mean higher snowfall - much of Antarctica, at present, is a frozen desert with low precipitation.

 

[scotttswan]

It's always worth noting that global warming is a macro-event, and that local conditions may vary considerably. Also, warming can even mean higher snowfall - much of Antarctica, at present, is a frozen desert with low precipitation.

Yes Climate Change is a much more accurate term than global warming.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Yes Climate Change is a much more accurate term than global warming.

No, I can't agree with that - a global level, it's anthropogenic warming that's causing the problem, even if local mileage may vary.