Chau Fpv - Good Freaking Riddance.

[ajoknoblauch]

I don't know about Nisman and Macri. But I can tell you that a lot of anti-K folks are confusing certainty with what it is that they really really want to happen. It's a long way to October and if you are counting Cristina/Scioli/?? et al out of the race then I think you are way ahead of yourself.

If I were an Argentine voter, no amount of choripanes could get me to choose the Kamporistas, but I agree that you can't count them out. Even if they lose, they'll follow the Republican playbook - and perhaps even worse - to make things miserable for whoever succeeds Cristina.

 

[Noesdeayer]

I would draw everyones' attention once again to the Gloria Alvarez video that Camberiu posted on 21/04 in the thread If You Were the Next President of Argentina where she states among other truths that for populism to have begun to exist there had to have been a lack of "renuncia previa" (prior resignation) on the part of "the haves" or the elites to allow " the have nots" the soco-economic mobility to acquire property goods and rights as well.But since the L.A. upper classes absolutely refused to do this.Peron correctly called them,"La oligarquia contumaz" - The incorrigibly stubborn oligarcy"-.the "have nots" were forced to turn to the populists-like Peron-to achieve that mobility.Had it not been for for this refusal of Argentina's elite,there probably would have ben no need for Justicialism or today's Frente Para la Victoria.The answer as she rightly says is education and Republican institutions.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Had it not been for for this refusal of Argentina's elite,there probably would have ben no need for Justicialism or today's Frente Para la Victoria.The answer as she rightly says is education and Republican institutions.

"republican" rather than "Republican," we can only hope.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Right, now criminal law works on non sequitur. If Nisman comes back from death, he goes to a federal prision non stop.

There is a connection between nisman and Macri.

Attacking a dead man takes true courage.

 

[Noesdeayer]

You have hoped correctly,,Ajoknoblauch .I meant republican as in Plato's The Republic.That is why I captalized it. and Gloria Alvarez spoke so intelligently about it. Her discourse is a "must " for anyone trully interested in the progress of L.A. democracy. If the person doesn't know sufficient Spanish to understand it well enough,they should have someone translate it for them. Yesterday,Chile's president Michelle Bachallet promulgated their new electon law based on true representation of the electorate.It has replaced the totally anti-democatic and elite oriented "binominal" decree by Pinochet 25 years ago.More good marks for her government and Chiean democracy

 

[el_expatriado]

I don't know about Nisman and Macri. But I can tell you that a lot of anti-K folks are confusing certainty with what it is that they really really want to happen. It's a long way to October and if you are counting Cristina/Scioli/?? et al out of the race then I think you are way ahead of yourself.

Agreed. Scioli is rising very fast in the poll numbers. And when CFK realizes that her Cámpora candidates are going nowhere, she'll be forced to get behind him. Probably with Axel-boy as VP.

Don't underestimate the fact that 50% or so if the country is on some kind of choriplan. These people are not middle class city-dwellers who are getting paid in dollars from abroad. These are the people who are unemployed, cleaning houses, construction, etc. And when the punteros come around and tell them that they are going to lose their monthly cash these people are going to vote the Scioli out of fear. They don't want to lose the little bit they have gained with CFK.

I think most people in BA Expats (most porteños actually) are really pretty far from understanding the reality of the country.

 

[ElQueso]

I've begun wondering if the elections in October really mean anything. With the shape the country's economy is in, with the extra efforts that the government is taking to control everything, including the price of the currency, inflation, subsidies, etc - when Cristina lets go, will the economy slide down rapidly? I'm not even talking about a situation as horrible as 2001/2002, but pretty stiff anyway. But at that point, how likely is it that whoever wins the presidency in October will end up resigning anyway at some point in the coming year?

If that happens - can Cristina come back at that point as president? (Admittedly, I'm not sure of the exact provision in the constitution as to when or if she would be available to run for president again) Is she counting on something like that happening so that she can come back and "save" the country from the "obvious mishandling" that the newcomer will have been perceived as perpetrating by the majority of choriplanes and others who can't see past their own nose?

 

[ajoknoblauch]

I've begun wondering if the elections in October really mean anything. With the shape the country's economy is in, with the extra efforts that the government is taking to control everything, including the price of the currency, inflation, subsidies, etc - when Cristina lets go, will the economy slide down rapidly? I'm not even talking about a situation as horrible as 2001/2002, but pretty stiff anyway. But at that point, how likely is it that whoever wins the presidency in October will end up resigning anyway at some point in the coming year?

If that happens - can Cristina come back at that point as president? (Admittedly, I'm not sure of the exact provision in the constitution as to when or if she would be available to run for president again) Is she counting on something like that happening so that she can come back and "save" the country from the "obvious mishandling" that the newcomer will have been perceived as perpetrating by the majority of choriplanes and others who can't see past their own nose?

What's certain is that the Kamporistas will do everything possible to undermine any government that doesn't provide enough choripanes for the people.

 

[Noesdeayer]

I agree with el_expatriado few seem to realize that the core problem is no economc growth and a deficient public education system.Hence scant opporunity for the lower income groups to créate ladders out of their situation.In such a stagnant socio-economic situation few if any, honest participants of any income level are able to progress.So the populits keep bringing out the "chroies" and the "davidas" - $$ handouts and stashing cash for themelves and thier cronies.Plus many of the well -to-do prefer it this way.Its more "comodo", easier for them.They don't have to work very hard or,God forbid,take much risk.In Argentina risk aversion is an art form.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

I agree with el_expatriado few seem to realize that the core problem is no economc growth and a deficient public education system.Hence scant opporunity for the lower income groups to créate ladders out of their situation.In such a stagnant socio-economic situation few if any, honest participants of any income level are able to progress.So the populits keep bringing out the "chroies" and the "davidas" - $$ handouts and stashing cash for themelves and thier cronies.Plus many of the well -to-do prefer it this way.Its more "comodo", easier for them.They don't have to work very hard or,God forbid,take much risk.In Argentina risk aversion is an art form.

But even The Economist acknowledges the breadth and depth of opportunities here: http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21649522-some-who-make-their-living-streets-are-luckier-others-recyclers-and-rag-men