Citizenship - Was advised not to leave Argentina

[Johngwyn]

In my case, I would be required to travel to the States for 2-4 weeks/year for work, so a strict "lock yourself in Argentina for 730 days straight" policy isn't practical to me, nor do I feel it's a valid, defensible legal interpretation.

I feel like Argentina is very similar to China, the laws and the rules on paper is one thing, people sitting in the office/with power how they interpret the laws and rules are the other thing. Before Pandemic, I used to live and work in shanghai for more than 2 years, unlike in the states what the rule says what you would do. So likely it's up to the judge, how he feels on your court day.

 

[Lanick]

That’s not true. Law clearly states that to maintain your permenente you shouldn’t be out of the country for more than 2 years. And there’s no law that requires you to stay here without ever leaving the country even for two days. There must be something else for the judge to rule against.

 

[Johngwyn]

That’s not true. Law clearly states that to maintain your permenente you shouldn’t be out of the country for more than 2 years. And there’s no law that requires you to stay here without ever leaving the country even for two days. There must be something else for the judge to rule against.

Well ,any reasonable amount of time, you should be able on your vacation.

 

[inspectorlow]

That’s not true. Law clearly states that to maintain your permenente you shouldn’t be out of the country for more than 2 years. And there’s no law that requires you to stay here without ever leaving the country even for two days. There must be something else for the judge to rule against.

Wait, I think something is wrong here.

1/ We're not talking about permanent residency. We're talking about citizenship, which in Argentina isn't tied to permanent residency.
2/ Being outside Argentina for more than 2 years is WILDLY outside the scope of discussion hahaha. We're talking about 1-90ish days outside the country per year.

 

[inspectorlow]

I feel like Argentina is very similar to China, the laws and the rules on paper is one thing, people sitting in the office/with power how they interpret the laws and rules are the other thing. Before Pandemic, I used to live and work in shanghai for more than 2 years, unlike in the states what the rule says what you would do. So likely it's up to the judge, how he feels on your court day.

Ugh, yeah, I think that's the truth as well. Maybe the best thing I can do is build a strong file and have excessive documentation (lease payments, C1 Spanish certification, class attendance at UBA, gym membership receipts, community event photographs, etc) to prove I've integrated, even if I do travel a bit for work/pleasure.

 

[ArgentinaVet]

I applied for Citizenship (I was one of Dr. Rubilar's first few cases) in either July or August 2012 and it was granted in November 2013 (delay was due to my own actions in taking too long to get some documents from the USA). I had neither temporary or permanent residency at the time although I did have a (expired)DNI and valid CUIT and owned several legitimate businesses with employees etc. During that timeframe I traveled outside Argentina perhaps as many as a dozen times on relatively short trips and there was never any questioning whatsoever by the judge about whether I "really" resided in Argentina or not; the judge directly requests all your entry/exit records from Migraciones and based on that they decide for themselves whether you "really" reside in Argentina or not.

 

[Lanick]

Wait, I think something is wrong here.

1/ We're not talking about permanent residency. We're talking about citizenship, which in Argentina isn't tied to permanent residency.
2/ Being outside Argentina for more than 2 years is WILDLY outside the scope of discussion hahaha. We're talking about 1-90ish days outside the country per year.

What I am trying to say; the only time restriction is on the permanente. If you hold a valid DNI and been 2 years, then there are no restrictions on time you’ve spent outside of Argentina.

 

[Lanick]

Ok, I spoke with my friend who became citizen. He told me he knows a guy who was granted citizenship while abroad ( applied and left) and got his passport at the consulate. Strange and hard to believe but when you think; regardless where he is/was, the second the court case closed with an approval the person is an Argentine thus entitled to use the services a at the consulate.

 

[MarshallE]

Ok, I spoke with my friend who became citizen. He told me he knows a guy who was granted citizenship while abroad ( applied and left) and got his passport at the consulate. Strange and hard to believe but when you think; regardless where he is/was, the second the court case closed with an approval the person is an Argentine thus entitled to use the services a at the consulate.

There's more to this story, as naturalized citizens must swear an oath in person at the court. Once you have the citizenship certificate, it is indeed possible to apply for a DNI and passport at the embassy. Though it will take much longer to get the documents compared to doing it at Renaper.

Lots of incorrect and misleading info in this thread overall. The long and short of it is, it must be unquestionable that Argentina is your true home. There is no strict number of days that are a breakpoint between where they decide if you qualify or not, but the longer you're outside the higher your chances of getting a denial.

The days of remote applications are totally over, you must continue living in the country after you've applied. They are now going through your presence in the country with a fine toothed comb, and if it's not to their satisfaction you will be denied citizenship. Example of someone below rejected for insufficient presence.

 

[inspectorlow]

This poor person applied with only ~7 months spent in the country? I'd deny them too lol