Citizenship - Was advised not to leave Argentina

[MarshallE]

that's interesting prospect, any reference stories? Just curious.

It's included right on the naturalization certificate when they give it to you, if you obtained it via fraud they can cancel it. As Dr Rubilar will probably mention there was a case in Cordoba in which the court employees were bribed to issue citizenship to several hundred Chinese people, and when it was discovered all those people had their citizenship revoked.

"Asimismo se le hace saber que, en
el supuesto de conocerse con posterioridad a la concesión de la
ciudadanía argentina, la existencia de algún impedimento legal,
sobrevendrá la situación prevista en el art. 15 del Decreto 3213/84,
que determinará la cancelación de la ciudadanía, por haber mediado
fraude y/u ocultamiento de datos en el trámite de su obtención."

Una empleada judicial estafó a unos 200 inmigrantes chinos y los dejó sin nacionalidad

La mujer, que trabajaba en un juzgado de Córdoba, fue condenada a tres años de prisión en suspenso y a pagar una multa de 70 pesos. La historia

www.infobae.com

 

[Lanick]

It's included right on the naturalization certificate when they give it to you, if you obtained it via fraud they can cancel it. As Dr Rubilar will probably mention there was a case in Cordoba in which the court employees were bribed to issue citizenship to several hundred Chinese people, and when it was discovered all those people had their citizenship revoked.

"Asimismo se le hace saber que, en
el supuesto de conocerse con posterioridad a la concesión de la
ciudadanía argentina, la existencia de algún impedimento legal,
sobrevendrá la situación prevista en el art. 15 del Decreto 3213/84,
que determinará la cancelación de la ciudadanía, por haber mediado
fraude y/u ocultamiento de datos en el trámite de su obtención."

Una empleada judicial estafó a unos 200 inmigrantes chinos y los dejó sin nacionalidad

La mujer, que trabajaba en un juzgado de Córdoba, fue condenada a tres años de prisión en suspenso y a pagar una multa de 70 pesos. La historia

www.infobae.com

I remember those Chinese situation. They didn’t even know that they were commuting a fraud as it was done by a clerk or someone. They were citizens. Voted etc like a normal citizen and one day they were stateless as they renounced their Chinese citizenships. Sad situation

 

[Johngwyn]

It's included right on the naturalization certificate when they give it to you, if you obtained it via fraud they can cancel it. As Dr Rubilar will probably mention there was a case in Cordoba in which the court employees were bribed to issue citizenship to several hundred Chinese people, and when it was discovered all those people had their citizenship revoked.

"Asimismo se le hace saber que, en
el supuesto de conocerse con posterioridad a la concesión de la
ciudadanía argentina, la existencia de algún impedimento legal,
sobrevendrá la situación prevista en el art. 15 del Decreto 3213/84,
que determinará la cancelación de la ciudadanía, por haber mediado
fraude y/u ocultamiento de datos en el trámite de su obtención."

Una empleada judicial estafó a unos 200 inmigrantes chinos y los dejó sin nacionalidad

La mujer, que trabajaba en un juzgado de Córdoba, fue condenada a tres años de prisión en suspenso y a pagar una multa de 70 pesos. La historia

www.infobae.com

That's interesting, they could travel to brazil over weekend, after vacationing back on Sunday afternoon only to realize they're no longer Argentine anymore.

 

[ArgentinaVet]

Argentina can also cancel yr passport abruptly even if issued if they find you had done something illegal to claim yr citizenship.

How it works?

You arrive at a border control. And you hand yr Arg passport or dni. The agent scans it and announces to you - you are no more an Argie. Please give me a valid passport.

Thats how ir ends. No warnings. No drama

And no - this is not published anywhere in any law book. Its an unpublished law.

It is a published law- I sent a link to it sometime last year during a mild debate with BajoCero on one of these threads. It is clearly stated that naturalized citizenship obtained under fraud, false pretenses, or using the document of a foreign country inside Argentina can lead to revocation.

 

[Ceviche]

That's interesting, they could travel to brazil over weekend, after vacationing back on Sunday afternoon only to realize they're no longer Argentine anymore.

Exactly.

 

[Ceviche]

It is a published law- I sent a link to it sometime last year during a mild debate with BajoCero on one of these threads. It is clearly stated that naturalized citizenship obtained under fraud, false pretenses, or using the document of a foreign country inside Argentina can lead to revocation.

The key is - it can be done "behind the scenes" nor any warnings to you nor a phone call nor any email to you.

so all those looking for short cuts...be aware.

 

[camel]

Argentina can also cancel yr passport abruptly even if issued if they find you had done something illegal to claim yr citizenship.

How it works?

You arrive at a border control. And you hand yr Arg passport or dni. The agent scans it and announces to you - you are no more an Argie. Please give me a valid passport.

Thats how ir ends. No warnings. No drama

And no - this is not published anywhere in any law book. Its an unpublished law.

Thankfully I never snuck out. I just left and came back the normal way (passing through Migraciones), and it took me 6 years to get citizenship. But with Ceviche's post in mind, the lesson is either don't do it, or if you do it, don't get caught. And don't brag about having done it.

 

[inspectorlow]

Argentina can also cancel yr passport abruptly even if issued if they find you had done something illegal to claim yr citizenship.

How it works?

You arrive at a border control. And you hand yr Arg passport or dni. The agent scans it and announces to you - you are no more an Argie. Please give me a valid passport.

Thats how ir ends. No warnings. No drama

And no - this is not published anywhere in any law book. Its an unpublished law.

I feel like every country (or legal entity) has the right to annul something given to you if they learn you defrauded them to get it. This should be common sense/unsurprising, no?

 

[inspectorlow]

Smart people move cities if they need to.

Yeah, I heard Mendoza is more lenient than Buenos Aires, and that Baroliche is stricter. The lawyer I spoke to says you can hedge your bets depending on the immigration patterns: Italians will be lackadaisical but Germans/Nordics want to follow the letter of the law more closely.

Idk how true that is but I imagine it's something I could learn/observe for myself pretty quickly with a bit of extended travel to those cities.

 

[MarshallE]

Yeah, I heard Mendoza is more lenient than Buenos Aires, and that Baroliche is stricter. The lawyer I spoke to says you can hedge your bets depending on the immigration patterns: Italians will be lackadaisical but Germans/Nordics want to follow the letter of the law more closely.

Idk how true that is but I imagine it's something I could learn/observe for myself pretty quickly with a bit of extended travel to those cities.

Your lawyer doesn't seem like he's up to speed. CABA is the most lenient jurisdiction by far. The provinces will be much more strict, the upside is there is a potential to resolve the case faster depending on where you go. CABA has a large backlog due to the flood of Latino immigrants, and also the Russians.