Climate change: Dickering with chemistry and physics ...and losing badly.

[steveinbsas]

They're either industry shills or moronic laymen. But climate science would attract neither (and hence be like quantum electrodynamics) were it not for real world implications.

A few of the scientists on the following list have undoubtedly been accused of being "industry shills" but that doesn't necessarily mean they're on the take and/or not saying what they believe:

List of scientists who disagree with the scientific consensus on global warming

Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections
These scientists have said that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the 21st century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.

• David Bellamy, botanist
• Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist,
• Piers Corbyn, owner of the business WeatherAction which makes weather forecasts.
• Susan Crockford, Zoologist, adjunct professor in Anthropology at the University of Victoria
• Judith Curry, professor and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology
• Joseph D'Aleo, past Chairman American Meteorological Society's Committee on Weather Analysis and Forecasting, former Professor of Meteorology, Lyndon State College
• Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences
• Ivar Giaever, Norwegian–American physicist and Nobel laureate in physics (1973)
• Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University.
• Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science at the MIT
• Craig Loehle, ecologist and chief scientist at the National Council for Air and Stream Improvement.
• Ross McKitrick, professor of economics and CBE chair in sustainable commerce
• Patrick Moore, former president of Greenpeace Canada
• Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics Department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003)
• Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research
• Roger A. Pielke, Jr., professor of environmental studies, research scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and soil science
• Harrison Schmitt, geologist, Apollo 17 astronaut, former US senator
• Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry
• Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography
• Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute
• Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor of atmospheric science
• Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in chemistry.

Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

• Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist
• Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography
• Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences
• Vincent Courtillot, geophysicist
• Doug Edmeades, PhD., soil scientist
• David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor.
• Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology
• William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor,
• Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, Theoretical Physicist and Researcher
• Ole Humlum, professor of geology.
• Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology
• William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology.
• David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware.
• Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science
• Jennifer Marohasy, an Australian biologist
• Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences
• Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology
• Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology,
• Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist
• Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor
• Nicola Scafetta, research scientist
• Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor
• Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science
• Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences
• Willie Soon, astrophysicist
• Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist
• Henrik Svensmark, physicist
• George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service
• Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist

To see the full list click on this link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...th_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

 

[steveinbsas]

The following would not fit in my previous post:

Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown
These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.

• Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks
• Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at Institute of Geophysics (Paris)
• Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State University.[
• Pål Brekke, solar astrophycisist, senior advisor Norwegian Space Centre
• John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCCreports
• Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher
• David Deming, geology professor
• Stanley B. Goldenberg a meteorologist with NOAA/AOML's Hurricane Research Division
• Vincent R. Gray, New Zealand physical chemist with expertise in coal ashes
• Keith E. Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology
• Kary Mullis, 1993 Nobel laureate in chemistry
• Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics

Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences

These scientists have said that projected rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for society or the environment.

• Indur M. Goklany, electrical engineer, science and technology policy analyst for the United States Department of the Interior
• Craig D. Idso, geographer, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology
• Sherwood B. Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor,
• Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science

Deceased scientists

These scientists published material indicating their opposition to the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming prior to their deaths.

• August H. "Augie" Auer Jr. meteorologist and past professor of atmospheric science
• Reid Bryson (1920–2008), emeritus professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences
• Robert M. Carter (1942–2016),former head of the School of Earth Sciences at James Cook University
• Chris de Freitas (1948–2017), associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science,
• William M. Gray (1929–2016), professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project
• Yuri Izrael (1930–2014), former chairman, Committee for Hydrometeorology (USSR)
• Robert Jastrow (1925–2008), American astronomer, physicist, cosmologist and leading NASA scientist
• Harold ("Hal") Warren Lewis (1923–2011), emeritus professor of physics
• Frederick Seitz (1911–2008), solid-state physicist

To see the full list click on this link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...th_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

PS: I believe in climate change. I believe in global warming and I believe in global cooling. I also believe that the Earth is just entering a period of significant global climate change as a result of a Grand Solar Minimum. The greatest unknown factor at this point is how strong the effect will be on the climate and, as some scientists predict., we will experience a mini ice age or, as others predict, the effects of AGW will offset any potential cooling.

I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, and I don't think we can't change the climate by voting on it.

 

[London2Baires]

You seemed to have forgotten the initial graph on the link you posted which puts the climate change denying scientists listing in context. I.e. they only form around 2% of scientists views on climate change. Oops.

Here is the graph for completness so as to avoid giving the impression that this scientific minority has more credibility than is the case.

Cheers!

The following would not fit in my previous post:

Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown
These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.

• Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks
• Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at Institute of Geophysics (Paris)
• Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State University.[
• Pål Brekke, solar astrophycisist, senior advisor Norwegian Space Centre
• John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCCreports
• Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher
• David Deming, geology professor
• Stanley B. Goldenberg a meteorologist with NOAA/AOML's Hurricane Research Division
• Vincent R. Gray, New Zealand physical chemist with expertise in coal ashes
• Keith E. Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology
• Kary Mullis, 1993 Nobel laureate in chemistry
• Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics

Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences

These scientists have said that projected rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for society or the environment.

• Indur M. Goklany, electrical engineer, science and technology policy analyst for the United States Department of the Interior
• Craig D. Idso, geographer, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology
• Sherwood B. Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor,
• Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science

Deceased scientists

These scientists published material indicating their opposition to the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming prior to their deaths.

• August H. "Augie" Auer Jr. meteorologist and past professor of atmospheric science
• Reid Bryson (1920–2008), emeritus professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences
• Robert M. Carter (1942–2016),former head of the School of Earth Sciences at James Cook University
• Chris de Freitas (1948–2017), associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science,
• William M. Gray (1929–2016), professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project
• Yuri Izrael (1930–2014), former chairman, Committee for Hydrometeorology (USSR)
• Robert Jastrow (1925–2008), American astronomer, physicist, cosmologist and leading NASA scientist
• Harold ("Hal") Warren Lewis (1923–2011), emeritus professor of physics
• Frederick Seitz (1911–2008), solid-state physicist

To see the full list click on this link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...th_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

PS: I believe in climate change. I believe in global warming and I believe in global cooling. I also believe that the Earth is just entering a period of significant global climate change as a result of a Grand Solar Minimum. The greatest unknown factor at this point is how strong the effect will be on the climate and, as some scientists predict., we will experience a mini ice age or, as others predict, the effects of AGW will offset any potential cooling.

I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, and I don't think we can't change the climate by voting on it.

 

[kmol]

A few of the scientists on the following list have undoubtedly been accused of being "industry shills" but that doesn't necessarily mean they're on the take and/or not saying what they believe

Another topic that comes up in the "Merchants of Doubt" film is another motive for some of these scientists -- a Cold War focus on keeping the U.S. economy unhindered by environmental regulation. This clip (about 4 mins) addresses 2 of the scientists in the Wikipedia listing, Fred Singer and Frederick Seitz:

...and this is another clip of Fred Singer (about 2 mins):

...in which, presented with internal corporate documents acknowledging his connection to media disinformation campaigns, he disavows his knowledge & expertise in an area he previously had been providing a confident, contrarian opinion.

I don't think we can't change the climate by voting on it.

But what about the legislation banning the use of chlorofluorcarbons, or the Clean Water Act, or the Clean Air Act?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_environmental_law

It would seem that national policy could make a difference.

It's true that the issue is very complicated, and there are a lot of difficulties, given the central place that oil/plastics hold in our modern society.

However, it seems preferable to face the issues straight, ambitiously attempt to find replacements, and then stand by the necessity of oil/plastics where replacements are found.

 

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[camberiu]

Great video. Awesome to see first-worlders whose lifestyle/consumption habits would require up to 30 Earths if everyone on the planet were to live in the same way, and who won't make any changes that would actually impact what they consider essential to their quality of life, pretend to care about climate change in so far as it pertains to vague government promises (that will amount to absolutely nothing) and some imaginary magic tech that they believe can be spent into existence.

The problem is every individual. Stop eating meat, give up your car, stop going on vacations (ever. no flights. period), downsize your home and stop heating it, stop buying new items of clothing, electronics, or basically any other non-essential, and much, much more. Won't do ALL of that (and honestly this entire list wouldn't be enough)? Don't mention climate change.