Expat Position Regarding Politics

Sorry about the familiarity.,didnt knew it offended you.
Kicilof,as an academic,is brilliant,he finished in his promotion,with the best grades,ans a technician,and a minister,is a complete disaster,thats because,he is not a technician,he shouldnt be there,in a normal country,he wouldnt,but our queen,took a fancy of him,and now we are stuck
No,nobody wil call a milky white blue eyed like me negro de mierda,dont worry

I think you're missing the whole point on Kicillof. He believes this stuff. He doesn't understand that Marxism is a proven failure many times over. It doesn't matter what his grades were. He teaches students that Marxism is the way, that it works, that it's the way things should be. And the notion that a major university permits him to do this puts the entire university in doubt.

Tell me, ariel. How old are you (if you don't mind saying)? How long have you been here? Do you read the independent Spanish language newspapers every day? Do you know who the ministers are, the congressmen, the oficialistas and the major opposition players? Do you know who the the leaders of la Cámpora are? Do you know the extent to which la Cámpora has infiltrated the government? Do you know who the fringe players are, like D'Elia and Hebe? Do you know who are and what they have done: De Vido, Randazzo. the various Fernandez's, Massa, Macri, Dominguez, Carrio, Sanz, Cobos, Binner, De Narvaez, Scioli, los Moyano, Rossi, Moreno, Schoklender, Di Tullio, Gils Carbó, Lijo, Casanello, Ángela Ledesma, Alejandro Slokar, among many others? Do you know what the laws were that el kirchnerismo tried to enact to "democratize" the judicial branch of the government, and how they were defeated?

And I could go on with these questions almost ad infinitum, but I ask them because all of your comments seem extremely general in nature, and I wonder how deep is your understanding of today's Argentina, it's issues, and the people responsible for shaping the present and future, for better or worse. I could list another hundred names fairly easily, but if you don't know these names, who they are, who they represent, what they do and what they've done, then your time may better be spent reading than writing comments about a place of which you have only a superficial understanding.

Seriously, I'm not trying to insult you (although you did mention in one of your posts that you had to know English very well, and your atrocious written English, at least, suggests that you don't), but some of your comments lead me to believe that you're lacking in detailed knowledge of the current Argentine political landscape.

It's hard to take your comments seriously if you only talk in generalities without demonstrating a deeper knowledge of life in today's Argentina.

But don't worry. That doesn't mean we don't like you.
 
Here's an excerpt from fee.com which mentions several reasons why term limits are important:
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I think term limits are important in any country -- certainly in the U.S., and absolutely in a country like Argentina with its frail institutional infrastructure.

Well, I am in complete agreement that it is not a good thing for politicians to become entrenched, thereby creating a "political ruling class". The problem is, how do you enforce it without taking away other rights? Benjamin Franklin was a scary-smart dude - but in what you quoted from him, he didn't mention term limits as the way to control that process. In fact, as I remember (I could be wrong) there were no "political" salaries (or they were very small) in the US to begin with. The idea was that a person should sacrifice to be a politician, not rewarded. - which, of course, has its own problems.

I love the idea of term limitations - if they are self-imposed or imposed by the voting of the people. But telling a group of people they cannot have the representative or the senator that they want is also restricting their choices and their "speech".

As much as the founders of the US thought this way, they still didn't put term limitations in the constitution. That's telling to me - the fault lies not with the need to limit terms, but rather with government itself and the fact that it gathers power more and more every year and in controlling it by law is another way of limiting rights of the people.

Democracy (and here I refer to the method of choosing leaders for a Republic, not a wild-ass democracy where each person votes for everything, which is untenable for many reasons) requires a dedicated population that is ever vigilant, not laws to make up for the lack of vigilance of the people.

In my opinion :)

I think, at least at this moment in Argentina, unions are a necessary evil. And by the way, the teachers have one of the most powerful unions. Also, despite the fact that it's illegal for police (and perhaps firemen and doctors) to unionize, that wouldn't really stop them if they made the effort. The police showed two years ago what they could do when they acted collectively even without a union. The strength of any group of workers is in its numbers and in its inability to be replaced. If they organized, the government would have no choice but to negotiate with them. The government has claimed that it is impossible to have police unions, but where I come from, the police are unionized. Argentina is somehow different than the rest of the world (as has been implied by this government's words and actions a thousand times, from the cepo on down)?

I don't see unions being a necessary thing here. The overwhelming problem I continue to see is that unions are too powerful, do not include everyone and only helps the members of the unions. Police, right off the bat, don't need a union, really. The government (be it federal or CABA or what-have-you) seem to have made a back-door deal somewhere along the line with the police that they will be paid little, but can get the money and power they desire by coima and exercising control over their domain. Teachers, I know they have a union, but it's not as powerful as the truck drivers, or the bus drivers, or the train drivers, etc. Why? Because, as you mention in another part, education is not really an important thing, when you compare the fact that truckers can block food from coming into the city and teachers simply give kids time off school when they strike, where the biggest impact is parents who both work don't know what to do with their kids while they're off.

In my opinion, Argentina needs to learn more about the free market. But then again, I am very anti-union here and in the US. I come from a right-to-work state that does quite well in the same industries where other states have unions. I think it's primarily a way to elevate others above the common by force and I don't like it.

I've used the public hospitals a few times (usually for some urgent or semi-urgent problem when I can't get a turno for a few weeks through my obra social). I've had good results with one major exception.
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Anyway, despite this, from a healthcare point of view I think an older person with limited resources is much better off in Argentina than in the United States. (Although maybe I'd think differently if I was blind now and couldn't be writing this.)
BTW - if you can't go to the guardia at Hospital Italiano with something urgent, without an appointment, you need to change your health care provider. About three months ago, I went to Hospital Aleman (have a plan there) and was quite sick. I had a bacterial infection in my lungs, seeming like just another round of bronchitis. Problem was, I really couldn't breathe. I'm not talking about the weight in the chest that something like bronchitis causes, but I was nearly having to gasp for breath. I went to the guardia and they told me I had to make an appointment. I pushed back, politely, telling them I couldn't breath and they let me in with no problem. Turned out I had walking pneumonia and my lungs were swollen. The emergency room doctor put me on a respirator with medicine (can't remember what it's called!) for two hours to help me breath, then sent me on my way with a prescription.

In some ways I would agree with you that an older person may be better off here - and yet, I take my father as an example. He's 78. Yes, he is lucky to have decent (not great) insurance in the States, plus Medicare (which is a help for older people). He is a survivor of prostate cancer. He had a 50/50 chance to survive it. They treated him with small radioactive pellets placed in his prostrate, targeting the cancer itself. I am wondering, for example, if this treatment is available here. I know of so many people talking about having people died of cancer here, and out of a much smaller population here it seems like great percentage. In the States, I knew a few people who knew people who had cancer and/or died of it, but nowhere near the percentage, so it seems to me. Granted that is no kind of scientific study :)

I would have much more hope that I would be treated better at Hospital Aleman for something serious, than I would at a public hospital (at least the two that I've been involved peripherally with). Unfortunately, I don't see anything helping poor older people here at all. People in the poorer levels of society seem to have a fatal outlook, accepting that they are going to die and whatever particular illness they have often seems like the "hand of god".

I really don't know, nor do I have any way of knowing, what the quality of education is in Argentina. But:
  • It's scary to think that Kiciloff was permitted to teach his theory of economics at UBA as if it were correct and proven
  • The money allocated to primary and secondary schools in the década ganada has fallen far, far short of what is necessary; these schools have essentially been ignored for the past ten years. The horror stories abound; just spend a few minutes with Google.
  • The number of children who neither go to school nor work (los "Ninis") has grown to epidemic proportions, creating a massive and extremely-difficult-to-solve problem for Argentina for years to come. See this from a couple years ago: http://www.lanacion....ian-ni-trabajan; and the problem has only gotten worse. In my neighborhood, these children are everywhere. I was speaking to a man working in a sanitario a couple blocks from here; he's lived in the neighborhood for 40 years, and was telling me (in Spanish), "You see all these children here on the streets, in every cuadra, every day? Many of them sitting around all day drinking beer. This never happened before. It's not normal. It's very bad. It's not normal. It's never happened before. I don't know what's going to happen. This is very bad." I have to agree with him.
100% with you on this one. I watched Cristina one time exalting the public school system here. Not long after that, two of my nephews tried to get into a public school in Jose C Paz. There was a two-year waiting time to get into any public school. And they are poor, poor, poor.

Instead, the only really good public school I know of is the one on Pelligrini near Libertador, right across from La Recova. It, too has a long waiting list to get in, but it's a "model" school.

Schooling here at the primary and secondary level here sucks for the most part unless you are either lucky or have money. And even with money you need luck sometimes...
 
Dude,marxist economic theory is dictated in every university,its a theory,you dont stop studying something just because it failed,its theory,not praxis,have we stopped studying,dont know,malthusian tehory,for example?
regarding negra-negro,well,i have been called that too,and im milky white :D

Things are studied, often, to show how they didn't, or couldn't, work.

I remember studying Malthusian disaster theory in high school some 30+ years ago and the big thing I took away from that was that Malthus projected current trends without taking into account any kind of scientific advance to help with things like food production. I certainly didn't take away from that, that Malthus was correct and we're all going to die horrible deaths from lack of everything from food to water and so on - at least not for the reasons he stated.

We studied socialism and communism - and frankly, I don't remember anyone ever saying "communism...bad!" in school, although we did study some of the difficulties the Soviet Union was having with work and commodity distribution across sectors as people, not markets, drove what they considered important. It was from the politicians and other public figures that I always heard the "communism...bad" thing.

Here, at least in secondary school - Peron and Evita...good! Socialism...necessary! Nanny state...for your own good! Capitalism...not only bad, but obviously so and evil to boot!

My 19-year-old is going to UADE, a private and fairly expensive university. She's studying International Business. In her first semester, there were a number of businessmen who came in to talk to the students. Every one of them told the students (paraphrased) "if you studied in secondary here [about half of her class are foreign], you will be shocked when you go out into the international business market and find that everything you've been taught in school is wrong."

It's one thing to learn about everything and understand what seems to work and what doesn't. It's something else to take something the whole world has seen fail repeatedly and teach the students that it's the secret to happiness for all.
 
Queso I love your posts but I have 2 kids and a company to run. In 2014 you promised to be more succinct. By the time 2 people have quoted you and responded we're on a page per post.... :)..Pretty please
 
Queso I love your posts but I have 2 kids and a company to run. In 2014 you promised to be more succinct. By the time 2 people have quoted you and responded we're on a page per post.... :)..Pretty please

El Queso is too smart for our own good. :D
 
Well, I'm not a politician, but I don't know that I promised to do so, I think I just promised to try :D

BTW - one thing that does annoy me is when someone quotes the entirety of someone's post to make a comment. I don't think that's particularly necessary. So you guys need to get on them for creating more pages as well :) While my posts may be long, there are others as well, particularly when posting a number of big pictures.

And Johnny, I don't think I'm too smart at all, which is probably why my posts are so damned long. It takes a lot of thought and effort to make posts short and succinct, and yet retain the same amount of information/thoughts and that are also readable and understandable. Unfortunately, I think I would have made a decent novelist (if I could ever put together a good plot!) but don't ever ask me to be a journalist!
 
Well, I'm not a politician, but I don't know that I promised to do so, I think I just promised to try :D

BTW - one thing that does annoy me is when someone quotes the entirety of someone's post to make a comment. I don't think that's particularly necessary. So you guys need to get on them for creating more pages as well :) While my posts may be long, there are others as well, particularly when posting a number of big pictures.

And Johnny, I don't think I'm too smart at all, which is probably why my posts are so damned long. It takes a lot of thought and effort to make posts short and succinct, and yet retain the same amount of information/thoughts and that are also readable and understandable. Unfortunately, I think I would have made a decent novelist (if I could ever put together a good plot!) but don't ever ask me to be a journalist!

Just poking fun EQ ! Shine on you crazy diamond ! :D
 
...The problem is, how do you enforce it without taking away other rights?...

I didn't say it wasn't a complicated issue. But when these particular rights are in conflict, I go the route that to me seems less harmful to the people. Less power and more reality for the politicians. We have several shining examples of the potential abuse of no term limits, one here in Argentina (frustrated, gracias a dios), and, of course, the most frightening example of them all, the case of Venezuela.

Does anybody, be you Argentino or extranjero, believe that the majority of the politicians in this country work for the good of the people? From my discussions with people, virtually nobody believes that. (I don't think it's much better in the US, but I do think it's at least a little better.)

And you mentioned political salaries? Politicians make more than ten times the salary of the average worker here. And with tricks like cashing in travel vouchers, it can add up to much more. And that's just the legal income. If you want to make the case for term limits here, look no further than all of the politicians here that became wealthy only after they entered public service. And we all know who's number one on that list.

I don't see unions being a necessary thing here.
I said that I think they're necessary at this time in Argentina.

When you've got inflation running between 30-40% a year and the government saying that there's no inflation, if you didn't have that counterforce that the unions provide, there'd be a lot more people right now eating out of dumpsters. (Where I live, sadly, that goes on all day, every day.)

Look at the jubilados, who don't have anyone representing them against the government (which is daily stealing the money that belongs to them to help fund the charade). For years they've been getting annual increases at about half the rate of inflation. They've been devastated.

In my opinion, Argentina needs to learn more about the free market.
Without a doubt. But free markets have never excluded unions.

The U.S. largely rid themselves of unions by companies giving better packages to employees than the unions were able to negotiate. But remember that without the unions having been there, that would never have happened. When I was very young, I worked in one union job. The pay was much better than my non-union counterparts. I then worked in another job that was going union. In that job (at a major US university), which was full time, they weren't paying a living wage, and they mistreated the workers and fired them for trivial reasons, without recourse. Those conditions allowed the union to walk right in, and I, for one, welcomed them.

I don't disagree that unions can often be too strong to the point of being destructive (just look at Moyano here, just a few short years ago -- when he was at the height of his power he was pushing to have a union representative on the board of directors of all companies -- imagine what that would do for international investment!). But they do have their place at times, and during these inflationary times they've protected their workers and helped to check the excesses of this government.

BTW - if you can't go to the guardia at Hospital Italiano with something urgent, without an appointment, you need to change your health care provider.

I can't change my health care provider. It's my wife's obra social from her job. However, I think that problem's been fixed (though I haven't had the opportunity to test it; you know how things are here).
 
I think you're missing the whole point on Kicillof. He believes this stuff. He doesn't understand that Marxism is a proven failure many times over. It doesn't matter what his grades were. He teaches students that Marxism is the way, that it works, that it's the way things should be. And the notion that a major university permits him to do this puts the entire university in doubt.

Tell me, ariel. How old are you (if you don't mind saying)? How long have you been here? Do you read the independent Spanish language newspapers every day? Do you know who the ministers are, the congressmen, the oficialistas and the major opposition players? Do you know who the the leaders of la Cámpora are? Do you know the extent to which la Cámpora has infiltrated the government? Do you know who the fringe players are, like D'Elia and Hebe? Do you know who are and what they have done: De Vido, Randazzo. the various Fernandez's, Massa, Macri, Dominguez, Carrio, Sanz, Cobos, Binner, De Narvaez, Scioli, los Moyano, Rossi, Moreno, Schoklender, Di Tullio, Gils Carbó, Lijo, Casanello, Ángela Ledesma, Alejandro Slokar, among many others? Do you know what the laws were that el kirchnerismo tried to enact to "democratize" the judicial branch of the government, and how they were defeated?

And I could go on with these questions almost ad infinitum, but I ask them because all of your comments seem extremely general in nature, and I wonder how deep is your understanding of today's Argentina, it's issues, and the people responsible for shaping the present and future, for better or worse. I could list another hundred names fairly easily, but if you don't know these names, who they are, who they represent, what they do and what they've done, then your time may better be spent reading than writing comments about a place of which you have only a superficial understanding.

Seriously, I'm not trying to insult you (although you did mention in one of your posts that you had to know English very well, and your atrocious written English, at least, suggests that you don't), but some of your comments lead me to believe that you're lacking in detailed knowledge of the current Argentine political landscape.

It's hard to take your comments seriously if you only talk in generalities without demonstrating a deeper knowledge of life in today's Argentina.

But don't worry. That doesn't mean we don't like you.
Im 33 years old,im argentinian.i read ONLY independt media,clarin and la nacion,I dont read,in general,oficialist newspapers.
im sorry,if my english is so bad,you see,im dislexic,i writhe awful in every language.
Now regarding kicilof,he is an unmitigated disaster,not so much because of his ideology,but because he is an academic,not a technician.
Every university has professors like him,i dont see it as a big deal.,the problem is that he is the economi minister,if he was only a wacko professor,i wouldnt care.
 
Well, I'm not a politician, but I don't know that I promised to do so, I think I just promised to try :D

BTW - one thing that does annoy me is when someone quotes the entirety of someone's post to make a comment. I don't think that's particularly necessary. So you guys need to get on them for creating more pages as well :) While my posts may be long, there are others as well, particularly when posting a number of big pictures.

And Johnny, I don't think I'm too smart at all, which is probably why my posts are so damned long. It takes a lot of thought and effort to make posts short and succinct, and yet retain the same amount of information/thoughts and that are also readable and understandable. Unfortunately, I think I would have made a decent novelist (if I could ever put together a good plot!) but don't ever ask me to be a journalist!

ElQueso, I love your posts because their thorough, clear, and they express your thoughts and opinions with obvious sincerity without ever resorting to condescension. Don't stop, no matter how lengthy they may be!
 
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