Francisco Pope Of The Poor??? Aparecida Brazil

[camberiu]

Suggest you guys open a new thread on theological issues.... The gist of this thread was "Not enough poor and African descent faces shown On Camera by TV newsmedia in Rio...?

 

[Jaredberryman]

Theories such as the Big Bang are open to evidence and testing, and are constantly being revised. Fantasies are not.

Now you are showing you really haven't looked at any of this at all, ever. You have zero idea of what you are talking about. As a theist, I of course believe the big bang theory is correct. However, no theist states that the big-bang happened by itself spontaneously. There was a dense ball of material that exploded outwards, and the planets and galaxies are spreading out. The question is whether this event happened spontaneously. Once again, the best you can do is insult people. Other atheists in this forum were respectful. What is your problem?

 

[ajoknoblauch]

For this to be a constructive conversation on the existence of God we need to establish one thing: Do you believe that Absolute Truth exists? Yes or No?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiable

 

[internationalguy]

Now you are showing you really haven't looked at any of this at all, ever. You have zero idea of what you are talking about. As a theist, I of course believe the big bang theory is correct. However, no theist states that the big-bang happened by itself spontaneously. There was a dense ball of material that exploded outwards, and the planets and galaxies are spreading out. The question is whether this event happened spontaneously. Once again, the best you can do is insult people. Other atheists in this forum were respectful. What is your problem?

Tex, when people run out of arguments they start acting like that. They have nothing left. Unfortunately his only argument (I base my beliefs on evidence) can't be used anymore. He either says that or starts insulting and berating anything that is not his way. Funny that I've asked him several times to show me his so called evidence and he simply ignores me.

 

[Jaredberryman]

Suggest you guys open a new thread on theological issues.... The gist of this thread was "Not enough poor and African descent faces shown On Camera by TV newsmedia in Rio...?

I apologize Rich One, but when someone starts insulting you for no reason, it's difficult not to respond. I appreciated your comments in this thread about the Catholic Church and Fransisco.

 

[GS_Dirtboy]

We've probably run this thread to the end.

 

[Dublin2BuenosAires]

Ojala.

 

[jeff1234]

There is a massive amount of evidence:

1. Cosmological evidence
2. The fine-tuning of the universe
3. Ontological evidence
4. Moral evidence
5. Historical evidence

All of these are expounded over the centuries again and again, even before atheism really began to exist. Atheism didn't really come into existence until the Enlightenment, and it's a relatively new philosophy. If you would like to get the gist of these, you can look them up on the web and get plenty of info plus perhaps some rebuttals and counter rebuttals. I'm not putting those arguments up there to somehow convince you. However, I do expect that you should begin to treat theists in civil way, rather than just insulting people because you think they are right. As far as atheism goes, there's really not any strong arguments for it, and the only evidence that it might be right is some half-baked theories that the universe popped into existence from non-being.

With apologies to everyone for extending this topic a little more, it'd be important for me personally to see the evidence mentioned.
I left my religion years ago, vowing to return when my belief is restored. As a result, I cannot look forward to a heavenly reward, not be absolved of my sins, nor even be part of the Catholic majority of this country. So when evidence is offered I'm am anxious to see it.
I define evidence as something that can be measured, replicated, predicted. And just because I dont know how we got here is not evidence that your guess is better than mine.
It would also help if anyone responding to this question would accept my good faith and spare us the personal attacks.

 

[internationalguy]

With apologies to everyone for extending this topic a little more, it'd be important for me personally to see the evidence mentioned.
I left my religion years ago, vowing to return when my belief is restored. As a result, I cannot look forward to a heavenly reward, not be absolved of my sins, nor even be part of the Catholic majority of this country. So when evidence is offered I'm am anxious to see it.
I define evidence as something that can be measured, replicated, predicted. And just because I dont know how we got here is not evidence that your guess is better than mine.
It would also help if anyone responding to this question would accept my good faith and spare us the personal attacks.

I suggest you watch the video I posted a couple of pages ago on this thread it lasts only 4 minutes. The point is that there is no evidence but there are too many unanswered questions and we're barely capable of answering much simpler ones. I was also VERY close to the Catholic Church at some point. Right now I think that NO ONE at least no human can really know everything. Maybe different cultures have bits and pieces, The Catholic Church has a lot of historical backing and other strengths among many other flaws. Most non Catholics really don't see it that way but historically there's Catholic and then everything else that came after that, however this isn't a christian denominations thread. My point is Jeff and here I am accepting your good faith, unless you unconditionally accept what the Catholic Church teaches, you won't fully be accepted within. That's a real shame if you ask me but it's just the way it is.

Evidence by the way is indeed something that can be measured. However when it comes to how the universe came to be there are too many questions that can't be answered. The same way some religions and even the same religion comes to a lot of contradictions, science has serious inconsistencies when it comes to this matter. The idea of Big Bang is widely accepted and it's most likely to be true somehow. But to say that the pre big bang giant mass just happened to be there by chance and then exploded by accident and just like that an amazing and perfect universe with structure and perfection at all levels just came to be randomly is basically stupid. There had to be a force behind it. A very intelligent force (if you don't like the term God, use another). Basic laws of physics say that matter can't be created or destroyed only transformed. Also Newton says that an item that is still will stay still until another force changes that. So science can't explain how those two basic laws got overlooked by the universe during and before it's creation. I've told many atheists before, please consider a possibility that there is something/ someone you don't have to believe any specific story or consider any specific god. Still most seem obsessed with trying to make a point and when you reach that breaking point (laws of physics being broken during and before big bang) they come at you with attacks and sarcasm. This takes me back to the video and what it talks about, agnosticism as an option.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Theists, unfortunately, start from an unsupportable assumption. Agnosticism is an easy way out, suggesting that something for which there is no evidence may actually exist.