How many of us are still here?

[perry]

A tourism deficit is not ideal but it beats the alternative of oppression. Millions of Argentines traveling abroad is not a bad thing, they have every right on earth to do so (just like any expat who found their way to their country).

How would you like it if Australia (or wherever you are from) said to you or imposed conditions as though “you cannot spend your money outside of Australia” while keeping you there, forcing you to work a job that is pays in you in money worthless abroad simply to serve greedy foreigners cheap coffee and cake?

The tourism deficit should of course be worked on the government. Argentina has always needed to do a better job of promoting itself and reinventing itself as a destination on the world stage as a destination, not just depending on being a “bargain” every few years when the economy hits the fan. It is worth noting that other countries often experience a tourism deficit including: US, China, Germany, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, and their solution is also not by way of pimping out their citizens to “rich” foreign tourists for a quick buck.

Tourism has never been restricted for argentinians and they can travel whenever they want since the founding of this country . but the reality is that they are travelling because it's much cheaper to holiiday overseas than in stunning argentina .This affects tourist operators hoteles restaurantes etc etc . Argentina has some of the worlds most stunning natural attractions but to visit them it costs nearly two or there times in some cases European prices . This is not good economics as seen now in patagonia . to visit the glaciares and have a tour on them it's nearly 500 dollars . to use the trails on el Chaitén 35 dollars per each trail per day . to visit museums are over 40 dollars a visit . in Norway You can have the same glaciar experience for 150 euros . You can visit the Louvre museums for 25 euros but here in. Argentina it's double or triple for the same experience . Most argentinians are travelling because of financial Freedom as prices elsewhere are much cheaper . remember the saying deme dos that was created by argentinians going to Miami for shopping . Now they are flooding chile and Brazil for the same reason .

 

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

As simple as that, I'm actually from this fair country, but as of now a Londoner by law and let me tell you that a nice apartment in Las Cañitas will cost you the same or even less than a single room in London town. Same for transportation and the likes, the one thing here that is crazy expensive is food, but actually something that would cost you an eye like a steak in London is quite cheap over here.

I guess many expats got used to eating out every single day and such, but is not the end of the world, not yet that is...

Now if you have a family to feed, then that's whole other story.

Having family here and wanting have similar levels of education and healthcare as the UK is getting very expensive

 

[LuckyLuke]

Having family here and wanting have similar levels of education and healthcare as the UK is getting very expensive

I'm not sure about the UK but my Texas property taxes, which pay for the school district were $700 per month. My daughters private school in Neuquen now costs $650 per month. This is a fairly equivalent cost, except when you begin adding more children to the equation. By the time my son needs to enroll I will be paying twice more private schooling down here than I did in the US via property taxes for an excellent school district.

 

[sergio]

I'm not sure about the UK but my Texas property taxes, which pay for the school district were $700 per month. My daughters private school in Neuquen now costs $650 per month. This is a fairly equivalent cost, except when you begin adding more children to the equation. By the time my son needs to enroll I will be paying twice more private schooling down here than I did in the US via property taxes for an excellent school district.

In Argentina you have no choice as state schools are poor - and only give children 1/2 day of school. $700 a month is cheap compared to the leading bilingual schools in BsAs. Having to pay for private school is just one of the many inconveniences of living in Argentina. The now high COL seems to me to be the tipping point for a lot of expats.

 

[sergio]

Tourism has never been restricted for argentinians and they can travel whenever they want since the founding of this country . but the reality is that they are travelling because it's much cheaper to holiiday overseas than in stunning argentina .This affects tourist operators hoteles restaurantes etc etc . Argentina has some of the worlds most stunning natural attractions but to visit them it costs nearly two or there times in some cases European prices . This is not good economics as seen now in patagonia . to visit the glaciares and have a tour on them it's nearly 500 dollars . to use the trails on el Chaitén 35 dollars per each trail per day . to visit museums are over 40 dollars a visit . in Norway You can have the same glaciar experience for 150 euros . You can visit the Louvre museums for 25 euros but here in. Argentina it's double or triple for the same experience . Most argentinians are travelling because of financial Freedom as prices elsewhere are much cheaper . remember the saying deme dos that was created by argentinians going to Miami for shopping . Now they are flooding chile and Brazil for the same reason .

Argentines didn't have much trav el freedom during the Covid lockdowns.

 

[on the brink]

I don't think you can generalize about the whole country. It's true that a lot has changed since the Covid lockdowns. There is less social activity. A lot turned to Zoom and never fully recovered. Life is more relaxed in Florida in my experience (though I don't know Miami where it is probably more intense). I find people in the US south to be more friendly and polite.

So sorry you see my views as sweeping generalizaions.

My opinion is based in changes I noticed while visiting in Boston, Alexandria, Va., Chapel Hill, NC., San Francisco, and Miami.

In my view, the change did not start with COVID, but after the 2020 election was contested. The resulting animosity between the extreme Right and the liberal Left erupted in confrontations between pro-vaccine/face mask people, and the anti-vaccine/no mask believers.

Those confrontations are now largely over, but the adversary climate remains. Sadly, it is no longer WE, but instead is US versus THEM. So much so, that some people are moving to cities and neighbors more aligned with their views.

A sad change in the country I so love.

 

[sergio]

So sorry you see my views as sweeping generalizaions.

My opinion is based in changes I noticed while visiting in Boston, Alexandria, Va., Chapel Hill, NC., San Francisco, and Miami.

In my view, the change did not start with COVID, but after the 2020 election was contested. The resulting animosity between the extreme Right and the liberal Left erupted in confrontations between pro-vaccine/face mask people, and the anti-vaccine/no mask believers.

Those confrontations are now largely over, but the adversary climate remains. Sadly, it is no longer WE, but instead is US versus THEM. So much so, that some people are moving to cities and neighbors more aligned with their views.

A sad change in the country I so love.

Boston= liberal and Democrat; Alexandria= liberal, Democrat; Chapel Hill; more Democrat than Rep, generally liberal; San Francisco: very liberal, Democrat; Miami: a mix I think. Fairly liberal socially, no? I believe they voted Republican in last election like most of Florida. I can't see that there is a huge divide in these mostly Democrat liberal enclaves.

 

[on the brink]

@sergio: I'm puzzled by your post. How much time have you spent in the US during the past three years? I don't mean fleeting tourist visits, but actual time living there.