I need to vent. Fatal shootings in Minnesota

[wineguy999]

What on earth did this man expect?

I dunno...but pretty sure he didn't expect to be executed - shot in the back while on his knees.

 

[Ries]

You have to be a special kind of stupid to show up to a protest to interfere with any kind of law enforcement with a concealed weapon attached to your body. What on earth did this man expect? One of the first things you should declare when approached by an officer seeking to detain you is that you have a concealed firearm so you can surrender it safely. The legality of the detainment is something you have the right to discuss with an attorney in a legal setting. The last thing you want is to be resisting arrest and having your gun stumbled on halfway through trying to cuff you.

I am guessing since he never touched his gun, and he had a clear second amendment right to have it, that he was thinking that it was irrelevant to observing and filming something in a 100% legal fashion.
Certainly its possible he was thinking Trump would pardon him, as Trump has pardoned many other people who legally carry guns...
The video shows very clearly an unprovoked murder, and then, the intentional removal of evidence, and refusal to testify.
Every other law enforcement agency, be it City, County, State, or Federal, in the USA, automatically investigates every single officer involved shooting, and usually puts the officers involved on leave during that time.
If you read the actual Department of Justice policies, you can see none of the things they suggest were done.

https://portal.cops.usdoj.gov/resourcecenter/content.ashx/cops-p350-pub.pdf

 

[TWB103]

It is possible to believe that more than one party was at fault here.

 

[Silvie]

Gregg Bovino was demoted today; I heard that he will “retire” any time soon.

 

[LuckyLuke]

I am guessing since he never touched his gun, and he had a clear second amendment right to have it, that he was thinking that it was irrelevant to observing and filming something in a 100% legal fashion.
Certainly its possible he was thinking Trump would pardon him, as Trump has pardoned many other people who legally carry guns...
The video shows very clearly an unprovoked murder, and then, the intentional removal of evidence, and refusal to testify.
Every other law enforcement agency, be it City, County, State, or Federal, in the USA, automatically investigates every single officer involved shooting, and usually puts the officers involved on leave during that time.

https://portal.cops.usdoj.gov/resourcecenter/content.ashx/cops-p350-pub.pdf

I have no personal opinion on the incident, other than the victim was clearly stepping in dangerous territory where LEO could easily perceive the threat of his actions. Resisting arrest and failure to follow commands while possessing a gun is enough to be perceived a threat.

The victim and police deserve a fair trial to determine whether a threat truly existed and if the response was justified.

The Supreme court has in multiple instances interpreted the Second Amendment as a right to carry arms for the purpose of defense. What exactly was this man hoping to defend himself against here? Did he perceive ICE as a hostile threat he needed a gun to defend himself against? Couldn't ICE make the same conclusion that he was intending to "defend" himself by shooting them if needed?

That being said, the second amendment does not in any way grant civilians the right to hide guns and interfere with police. In fact there's much public debate over what "bear arms" even means, what was considered a "militia" back then and if civilians today even qualify as a "well regulated militia".

Have a look at how the Oxford dictionary defines it: https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=bear arms

Even as a former gun enthusiast, I think the second amendment has been completely distorted and corrupted from it's original intent. Instead of American colonialists protecting themselves from hostile British forces, we now have to watch Gramps holster his .45 in a McDonalds next to your kids in the playplace ball pit.

I recall not too long ago my daughter going to daycare in San Antonio while in neighboring Uvalde, TX children in Robb Elementary were being blasted in the face by a high powered rifle.

The second amendment in it's current interpretation ought to be repealed.

 

[wineguy999]

I have no personal opinion on the incident, other than the victim was clearly stepping in dangerous territory where LEO could easily perceive the threat of his actions. Resisting arrest and failure to follow commands while possessing a gun is enough to be perceived a threat.

The victim and police deserve a fair trial to determine whether a threat truly existed and if the response was justified.

The Supreme court has in multiple instances interpreted the Second Amendment as a right to carry arms for the purpose of defense. What exactly was this man hoping to defend himself against here? Did he perceive ICE as a hostile threat he needed a gun to defend himself against? Couldn't ICE make the same conclusion that he was intending to "defend" himself by shooting them if needed?

That being said, the second amendment does not in any way grant civilians the right to hide guns and interfere with police. In fact there's much public debate over what "bear arms" even means, what was considered a "militia" back then and if civilians today even qualify as a "well regulated militia".

Have a look at how the Oxford dictionary defines it: https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=bear arms

Even as a former gun enthusiast, I think the second amendment has been completely distorted and corrupted from it's original intent. Instead of American colonialists protecting themselves from hostile British forces, we now have to watch Gramps holster his .45 in a McDonalds next to your kids in the playplace ball pit.

I recall not too long ago my daughter going to daycare in San Antonio while in neighboring Uvalde, TX children in Robb Elementary were being blasted in the face by a high powered rifle.

The second amendment in it's current interpretation ought to be repealed.

I agree with a lot of what you say. But many states allow concealed carry, some without a permit, including Texas. My sister in Shepherd TX, bless her heart, feels it necessary to go heeled to the damned Dairy Queen.

But what is clear from the video evidence is that Pretti was on the ground and at their mercy when they discovered his pistol, and had been disarmed before he was executed. Where's the threat?

 

[Ries]

I am not a fan of open carry, I think the gun laws in the USA should be changed.
BUT- if you are doing something 100% legal under current laws, and within ONE MINUTE you are pepper sprayed, wrestled to the ground by 8 armed officers, disarmed, beaten, and then shot ten times, I find it hard to think you were "at fault".
2 people were arrested late last year in Chicago for having a legal gun in the presence of ICE officers. In both cases, even though the feds tried to prosecute, judges dropped the cases and grand juries refused to indict.
ICE knows its legal.

It all happened within about a minute.
The gun was taken from him, immediately after which the agents started shouting "gun", and then 2 or 3 of them shot him 10 times, after he no longer had the gun.

He was not at "a protest".
There are 3000 agents in Mn. About 500 SUVs are constantly driving around, usually running stop signs and traffic lights, and a few thousand minneapolis residents are filming them.
Not at protests- at schools, hospitals, mini-malls, courthouses, big box stores, parking lots, gas stations, and even in the middle of the street at traffic lights.
The doctors who tried to treat both the 2 people killed this month were in houses, watching thru the windows, while the shootings occured outside. Many people are taking video thru their own windows, in their own front yards, while dropping off kids at school, or shopping.
Yes, there is a network of nonviolent ordinary people, including many grandparents, people with jobs, and, as evidenced, nurses, who observe and film.
A dozen or so cars are left, everyday, in public streets and parking lots,with windows broken, doors open, and the engine running.
ICE has arrested over 3000 people there.
They have released the names of a whopping 250 or so of them.
People are vanishing every day, many legal residents, or even citizens.
Its not a riot, its not a protest.
its a city under siege.

 

[carride]

Officials for the US administration intentionally spread the false narrative from the beginning. These lies are a tactic that they know will be inconsequential even when proven false, as is the case today. They are backing down only now because public and political support has turned against this one operation. They know they can move on and do similar illegal and/or unconstitutional things again in the near future. Their goal is to push all ethical boundaries to test for resistance, then back off, take notes, and later repeat to create a similar situation.

 

[LuckyLuke]

I agree with a lot of what you say. But many states allow concealed carry, some without a permit, including Texas. My sister in Shepherd TX, bless her heart, feels it necessary to go heeled to the damned Dairy Queen.

But what is clear from the video evidence is that Pretti was on the ground and at their mercy when they discovered his pistol, and had been disarmed before he was executed. Where's the threat?

I agree, assuming what was retrieved wasn't another officer's gun that had fallen out during the struggle, there was no reason to apply lethal force to an unarmed man who was already on the ground.

 

[Ruta Otto]

Lol...you left out George Floyd. Cops DID go to jail. Facts on that one slipped. GF was a criminal and an addict. The two men above you mentioned we not however.

The protesters are being paid by the left and George soros just like the 2020 riots . ICE AGENTS are being pushed to the limits just doing their jobs.

You play with fire. Youll die by it.

Moral of the story, just dont protest just to make money or defend illegals destroying the USA. Why is this so hard to understand?

Comply or die? Complicity does not guarantee one's safety. No one in the USA is safe anymore. My relatives in Europe tried to comply with Mussolini and later Hitler. A dozen ended up either summarily executed or sent to concentration camps.
The fact that you are repeating fascist lies such as "Soros paid protesters" simply points out your bias. Calling George Floyd an addict and a criminal is an old Nazi ploy to denigrate the character of the victim in order to justify state sanctioned public summary executions, as if the victims "had it coming."
History will judge supporters of this regime harshly, just as they have done with murderous monsters in the past.