Immigration changes: Health, Education, Deportation

[nikad]

Since this is a decree (DNU) it still has to be regulated, so if they are actually enforcing it, there should still be a window to get organized and figure out what to do. Nothing will change tomorrow, but take your precautions.

 

[steveinbsas]

Thanks Steve.

My concern is what that means for partners/spouses, which isn’t mentioned here. But I imagine that it would fall under the same category.

Also, what exactly will the temporary residency entail in such circumstances, and how quickly could it be made permanent after the additional checks?

You are most welcome.

I imagine the temporary residency granted in the future to spouses and partners might not be possible until the third renewal of the temporary residency, in acordance with the conditions of the current regime.

I also imagine that proof of "sufficient financial means" for foreigners with temporary residency will equal if not surpass the previous target of $2000USD per month when the monthly income reqirement for the visa rentista was first increased to $8000 pesos in 2010 (when the exchange rate was four to one) and years later to $30.000 (when the exchange rate was fifteen to one).

Five minimum monthly salaries today (required for the visa rentista and pensionada) is less than $1,500USD per month. As mentioned in the translation, "sufficient financial means" will be "precisely determined in the regulations." I wonder, as the dollar has lost so much purchasing power in the past eighteen months alone, how many dollars foreigners will need each month to obtain and maintain their temporary residency in the hope of It becoming permanent.

 

[whattodo]

You are most welcome.

I imagine the temporary residency granted in the future to spouses and partners might not be possible until the third renewal of the temporary residency, in acordance with the conditions of the current regime.

I also imagine that proof of "sufficient financial means" for foreigners with temporary residency will equal if not surpass the previous target of $2000USD per month when the monthly income reqirement for the visa rentista was first increased to $8000 pesos in 2010 (when the exchange rate was four to one) and years later to $30.000 (when the exchange rate was fifteen to one).

Five minimum monthly salaries today (required for the visa rentista and pensionada) is less than $1,500USD per month. As mentioned in the translation, "sufficient financial means" will be "precisely determined in the regulations." I wonder, as the dollar has lost so much purchasing power in the past eighteen months alone, how many dollars foreigners will need each month to obtain and maintain their temporary residency in the hope of It becoming permanent.

Personally, I am still hoping a lot of it turns out to be fluff. For example, ‘arraigos, medios económicos (suficientes) y antecedentes penales limpios’ are already all requested when you apply for residency as a relative.

Whereas, naturally, it’s understandable that children of Argentine residents aren’t asked for such and are given the residency easily.
Therefore, although I fear you might be right, I am hoping that it’s a lot to do about nothing with elections around the corner.

Nonetheless, I’ll be trying to get everything that I can pushed through ASAP.

 

[steveinbsas]

Personally, I am still hoping a lot of it turns out to be fluff. For example, ‘arraigos, medios económicos (suficientes) y antecedentes penales limpios’ are already all requested when you apply for residency as a relative.

Whereas, naturally, it’s understandable that children of Argentine residents aren’t asked for such and are given the residency easily.
Therefore, although I fear you might be right, I am hoping that it’s a lot to do about nothing with elections around the corner.

Nonetheless, I’ll be trying to get everything that I can pushed through ASAP.

If there are many Argentine voters who care about this issue, I think they would favor canditates who are opposed to foreigners abusing the system as well as being a drain on "public" services, but I am not suggesting in the least that's what you are doing.

It's most important now to find out if migraciones has already stopped processing applications for permanent residency based on civil union or marriage.and how long the process takes, but I imagine you are already well aware of that.

I can also imagine that migraciones could "accept" your application and not act on it until details of the new regulation are announced. If I understand correctly, if the Congress does not reject the decree, migraciones will enforce the new requirements immediately and at least you still should be able to get temporary residency.

 

[whattodo]

Unfortunately I won’t have the Certificado de Convivencia until ~June 2nd, and so I won’t be able to apply for permanent residency that way for another 3 weeks. I have a trip out of the country mid-June, so even if I only had the precaria that would be fantastic.

Or, similarly, if they do give temporary residency (rather than permanent) now to someone in my situation, that would be ok. Ultimately I want to become a permanent resident, naturally, but I’ll be glad for anything that will mean I avoid issues when leaving/re-entering over June/July.

 

[Rich One]

On the Health issue, one consideration many CABA Public hospitals require now DNI and residence in CABA.

 

[mageesa]

If there are many Argentine voters who care about this issue, I think they would favor canditates who are opposed to foreigners abusing the system as well as being a drain on "public" services, but I am not suggesting in the least that's what you are doing.

I feel like I see that opinion a lot online (anonymously), and occasionally in passing; but I hear as many people quipping that the foreigners are the only ones actually working hard (followed by "kids these days"-type sentiments).

As in any country with immigrants.

I was looking for statistics, and came across this article from 2017, which says "Some 4.6 per cent of Argentina’s population — roughly 2 million people — are foreigners, according to a 2015 study issued by the United Nations. The latest national census, meanwhile, reports that up to 13.2 per cent of those living in Buenos Aires are immigrants (mainly from Bolivia, Paraguay and Peru), many of whom enter the country illegally and therefore end up without access to essential services.".

Cities of misery and hope

In the so-called villas miserias of Buenos Aires, migrant communities face marginalization, lack key services and live in neglected neighbourhoods.

www.rcrcmagazine.org

Interestingly, in NYC (2000 census) almost 36% were foreign born, and 11% of national population was immigrants (https://web.archive.org/web/2009032.../html/dcp/pdf/census/nny_briefing_booklet.pdf). That surprised me!

 

[steveinbsas]

Unfortunately I won’t have the Certificado de Convivencia until ~June 2nd, and so I won’t be able to apply for permanent residency that way for another 3 weeks. I have a trip out of the country mid-June, so even if I only had the precaria that would be fantastic.

Or, similarly, if they do give temporary residency (rather than permanent) now to someone in my situation, that would be ok. Ultimately I want to become a permanent resident, naturally, but I’ll be glad for anything that will mean I avoid issues when leaving/re-entering over June/July.

Based on the information in this article (dated today),..

https://www.infobae.com/politica/20...etra-chica-de-la-reforma-migratoria-de-milei/


...the decree will be signed on Wednesday.

I assume that's a week from today and it's terms/conditions will be implemented as soon as possible. I imagine that enforcing new condiciones at the borders (such as proof of health insurance) will be among the first. Denying entry for recent and/or repeated overstays could also be more likely.

Hopefully, you will already be in the migraciones system snd have some kind of "immunity" from being denied reentry, but I think it would be a good idea to consult a lawyer who would be able to get to the airport with a judge's order in hand before you are put back on the plane and sent back to where you came from.

PS:Ask the lawyer if it's better to fly to Uruguay and come to Argentina by bus, rather than flying into Argentina.

 

[Cordoba]

I had a 2-year absence during COVID and a few one-year absences mixed in the 10 years I've had permanent residency.

I wonder if there is real enforcement, will they just refuse to renew the DNI, make you enter as a tourist, or will it turn out like the USA is at the moment, where they pull you off the street or out of your home to deport you.

 

[whattodo]

Based on the information in this article (dated today),..

https://www.infobae.com/politica/20...etra-chica-de-la-reforma-migratoria-de-milei/


...the decree will be signed on Wednesday.

I assume that's a week from today and it's terms/conditions will be implemented as soon as possible. I imagine that enforcing new condiciones at the borders (such as proof of health insurance) will be among the first. Denying entry for recent and/or repeated overstays could also be more likely.

Hopefully, you will already be in the migraciones system snd have some kind of "immunity" from being denied reentry, but I think it would be a good idea to consult a lawyer who would be able to get to the airport with a judge's order in hand before you are put back on the plane and sent back to where you came from.

PS:Ask the lawyer if it's better to fly to Uruguay and come to Argentina by bus, rather than flying into Argentina.

Thanks again Steve, much appreciated!

I’m definitely going to take all the steps I can, and prepare myself as best as I possible can, to hopeful avoid and at least navigate any potential issues.