Is It Time To Separate Passengers From Luggage ?

[khairyexpat]

Would separating passengers from luggage make sense to solve air travel security nightmare once and for all????

Example:
Say Air Canada operates 2 AirBus flights Toronto/New York route to handle 400 passengers daily. (200 passengers per flight + their 200 luggage).

Instead of operating 2 BRAND NEW AirBus daily, just use 1 brand new AirBus dedicated to only passengers( all 400 of them in ONE trip daily). ( the cargo space of 200 luggage needs to be modified to install additional 200 passenger seats instead ).

• Luggage need not be transported on Brand New AirBus, any old clunker will do.
• Old clunker can operate at much much lower standards, with much lower operating costs.
• Old clunker can even be a drawn. Why not?
• Luggage need not be inspected at all, if the old clunker explodes with all the luggage who cares!
• Old clunker can depart ahead of the passenger plane. So when passengers arrive, their luggage will already be there ahead of them.

Passenger security check-in procedures now can be reduced to absolute simplistic basic minimal skeleton. Only human bodies with almost birthday suit. Nothing complicated, nothing sophisticated, ....
(You don`t need experts to perform security, ..... if it`s complicated, it IS wrong!)

• AirLines now free from security worries should care and focus on providing every passenger with reasonable necessities till they reach their destination. ... AirBus cellular phone, laptop, food and drinks etc .
• No passenger personal effects what so ever, ... no hand bags, no phones no laptops .. no NOTHING! (may be emergency medications or alike ... but nothing else ).
• AirLines should not be concerned about anything else.

Does it make safe and economic sense ?

 

[Matt84]

They say time flies, but with the way Airlines are doing these days, maybe time should take the bus

 

[Matt84]

• No passenger personal effects what so ever, ... no hand bags no NOTHING! (Just drugs ... nothing more).

amen

 

[jez]

Would separating passengers from luggage make sense to solve air travel security nightmare once and for all????

Aerolineas has been separating passengers from their luggage for years.....

.... only you never see it again!

 

[thorsten]

There are so many flaws:

• While you might transport the same amount of passengers, it's still preferable to have 2 flights for passengers instead of one for flexibility
• Most airlines use never planes even for cargo - because of maintenance
• There are standards covering passenger and cargo planes for a reason...
• If the cargo airplane explodes over a city, nobody cares?
• You don't safe significant time: the cargo plane wouldn't be able to leave before the last passenger gave up his luggage
• Having luggage and passengers split is a terrible idea in case one of the airplane needs to be rerouted for example.
• Not having any luggage allowance would make the flight so inconvenient that any airline implementing it would be mental (given they want to keep customers)

 

[ben]

If there's a market for such an idea, it would happen given time.
On the one hand airlines could raise the price of accompanying luggage enough to turn it into a luxury item. Imagine the first bag - on a domestic route - costing $150. These prices would cover the cost of thorough, thorough security.

The hike in luggage prices would be accompanied by, say, a crazy-steep discount on unaccompanied luggage, with door-to-door delivery to boot.

If well thought-out, someone will eventually try this and the market will decide. Nobody 30 years ago would have thought that the airlines can provide the seats they now do, the nickel-and-diming they now do, and the service they now do, and still have customers. Guess what? The market spoke.

 

[Matt84]

As I loudly pointed out aboard an EasyJet flight, they could start charging for the oxygen masks too
there's probably a market for that

 

[Ries]

There are 100,000 commercial flights each day, globally.
How many blew up today?

The actual odds of luggage being explosive are tiny.
The cost of doing what you propose would basically double the price of every airline ticket. Probably more than double, as if you double the flights you would need not only double the planes, fuel, and crew, but billions of dollars worth of new radar, flight controllers, runways, airports, and equipment.

this is a simple cost versus benefit equation.
the average number of crashes per year- all crashes, including pilot error, malfunctions, weather, bird hits, and terrorism, is around 12.
Out of 36,500,000 flights per year.
2013 was the safest year since 1945.

I think your proposed cure is a bit extreme.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/07/travel/aviation-data/

 

[Ries]

If there's a market for such an idea, it would happen given time.
On the one hand airlines could raise the price of accompanying luggage enough to turn it into a luxury item. Imagine the first bag - on a domestic route - costing $150. These prices would cover the cost of thorough, thorough security.

The hike in luggage prices would be accompanied by, say, a crazy-steep discount on unaccompanied luggage, with door-to-door delivery to boot.

If well thought-out, someone will eventually try this and the market will decide. Nobody 30 years ago would have thought that the airlines can provide the seats they now do, the nickel-and-diming they now do, and the service they now do, and still have customers. Guess what? The market spoke.

A hundred an fifty dollars? seriously?
the average cost of a single domestic US flight is almost 400, and its much more than that for an international flight.
I would guess the airlines would want 300 or 400 per bag to give them dedicated planes, and delivery, from city to your home could easily add another hundred dollars to that.

 

[HenryNisental]

I have a better suggestion: passenger should not pay a fixed price for his/her ticket. The passenger would make a reservation for a flight and the final price would be defined at the airport counter by weighing him/her. They should place the passenger, kids, bags,dogs, etc on a scale and multiply the pounds by a fixed rate. If you are thin you will save money. After all, the planes carry anything by its weight. NO PENALTY FOR EXTRA BAGS,ETCFood and drinks will be sold as in any resto. PRESTO!!!