Is the Milei "Transformation" Failing Already?

No kidding. If you shut down half the government without caring about the impact on the people those departments serve, and fire tens of thousands of government workers without concern as to how they’ll feed their families - turns out you can save loads of cash. Milei is a genius!!!!

Wake me up when he figures out how to save money without ruining lives.

The CABA income stats out today show that the middle class sector has shrunk from 49% right down to 37% (!), while extreme poverty has gone from 8% to 15% and poverty from 13% to 19%, levels not seen in twenty years. Maybe you should quote those stats. (Hint: this has occurred because of all the budget slashing you’re so excited about. But anyway “socialism is dead” and that’s totally more important.)
Running an economy with 300% annual inflation and spending beyond the countries means is much more damaging to peoples livelihoods and well being. Ask the Cubans or Venezuelans how their well-being is being taken care of with socialist economic policies. 6 million Venezuelans have left the country for this reason.

Changing the economy takes time and there will be short term pain but in the long run it will be better for everybody that Argentine socialism is ending. Surely that is obvious?
 
No kidding. If you shut down half the government without caring about the impact on the people those departments serve, and fire tens of thousands of government workers without concern as to how they’ll feed their families - turns out you can save loads of cash. Milei is a genius!!!!

Wake me up when he figures out how to save money without ruining lives.

The CABA income stats out today show that the middle class sector has shrunk from 49% right down to 37% (!), while extreme poverty has gone from 8% to 15% and poverty from 13% to 19%, levels not seen in twenty years. Maybe you should quote those stats. (Hint: this has occurred because of all the budget slashing you’re so excited about. But anyway “socialism is dead” and that’s totally more important.)
Sorry, are you saying that; the unnecessarily employed people just because they support the previous government should be kept employed at the taxpayers expense? Everything happening now got nothing to do with Milei! All the mess from the previous government. Even when you go to the dentist for a root canal it’s all mess with blood and trauma etc but in the end you have a healthy tooth. Argentina had huge multiple abscesses and now they’re being treated with blood, pain, trauma, discomfort as well as a cost!
 
Sorry, are you saying that; the unnecessarily employed people just because they support the previous government should be kept employed at the taxpayers expense?
I didn’t say any of those things, you can re-read my comment if you care to
 
I didn’t say any of those things, you can re-read my comment if you care to
Why are you trying to say then; saying “If you shut down half the government without caring about the impact on the people those departments serve, and fire tens of thousands of government workers without concern as to how they’ll feed their families - turns out you can save loads of cash. Milei is a genius!!!!”. To me it translates as; he should’ve not sack them at all. And keep paying them. How will he pay for the salaries? Through taxes collected. So as a taxpayer why would I pay taxes to employ people for unnecessary positions?! So I cared to read your post again and still get nothing different. Would be great if you’d explain what you meant rather than a “if you care to”!
 
When people talk about "unnecessarily employed people"- I always wonder- have you ever met, or talked to, any of these people?

I know a fair amount of people who have lost jobs, or had hours cut, as a result of Milei cuts.
In terms of outright firing, I dont think he fired very many people.
He was able, late last year, administratively, to not renew the contracts of many first year government employees- usually there is a year of contract work before you get regular salaried postions.
In December of last year, he did this with 5000 employees.
these were all first year hires. I can find no information about what jobs these were.
Then, in early May, he was able to do a similar thing- not renew contracts, not rehire temporary or part time workers.
there are some accounts that this affects up to 24,000 employees.
Again, very little info online as to who these workers were- I do know a bunch worked for the Womens Ministry.

I, personally, have known a bunch of people who were let go, or just ceased to get gig jobs, almost all in education and culture.
Many of these may be included in his 24,000 number.
In some cases, he just cut budgets to govt departments, or semi-independent entities, such as the Universities, the Libraries, and cultural organisations like INCAA.
I have met several people who worked at INCAA, doing things like projectionists, graphic designers, and people who managed and preserved old film, or programmed films in schools and prisons.
I know people who worked at musuems and arts exhibition spaces who are out of work.
Some were "appointed" level workers, who resign, typically, when a new government comes in, allowing the government to appoint new people, or, often, the same people back in their old jobs. I know a high level curator who is now unemployed. They were working 3 jobs, none of them paying much, and all 3 dried up, and they are now doing lower paid freelance work.
All the cultural and educational workers I know earned very little, and typically put in far more hours than they were paid.
I had a friend who made a tiny stipend as a board member of the Fondo Nacional de Artes, which gives tiny grants to artists and arts organisations. He always spent more of his own money driving around and going to meetings around the country, than he was paid for this position, and the small seed money they gave to organisations totalled very little, but made a great deal happen. The FNA is in limbo right now, with most of the board gone, and Milei threatening to close it completely.
Many of these organisations, like the Museo Latinoamericano, or INCAA, or the FNA, have large libraries and collections, which need to be preserved in controlled conditions, and managed by professionals, or the film, photos, textiles, and objects may decay or disentagrate.
It seems truly misguided to me to allow these collections to vanish, to save what is, in the greater scheme of things, a very tiny part of the budget.
UBA, for example, is integral to all kinds of income producing sectors of the Argentine economy, and cutting its budget will have major ramifications, in terms of many other businesses and sectors, far beyond the "savings".
Again, all the people I know who teach at UBA have to have "real" jobs to live- they teach sometimes at multiple schools, because they think its important, not for the tiny salaries.
The heads of departments might make (before Milei) $500 a month for jobs that in Europe or North America would be $150k to $300k annually. I had one friend who taught at UBA, La Plata, and in another state school, in Architecture, and, in total, made less than an encargado, and without his private sector work, would not have survived. This is pretty typical- almost all the professors have other jobs to live on.
The real "noquis", wherever they are, are not the ones losing jobs in these two rounds.
 
I know a lot of people. I’m an Argentine and my wife is born and bred here and she’s got a lot of friends here. Some of them support previous government for the fundings they received to do nothing! My in laws had a carer who quit because she started getting money from the previous government.
Universities are full foreign students who pay zero tuition. Is this fair or smart? So your academic friend’s fair pay goes to funding foreign students.
Artists and arts organisations; that’s where I knew the most people and they were so used to getting free money doing nothing. Most live a liberal life but are against Milei because he cut the free money.
I’m sure there are few honest people loosing jobs but this is what must be done now unfortunately.
NO HAY PLATA!! How do you expect government spend money like before? We are lucky to have Milei in the office!!
 
The quick way he removed health and safety regulations was to simply fire the health and safety workers who teach the proper techniques. Milei followers consider them wasteful “regulations” instead of considering them needed for the health and safety of the population. There was no need to wait to change any laws.

In March he fired 900 technicians who work around the country in the new modern poultry slaughterhouses which are there for the local farmers to bring weekly chickens to slaughter. The technicians continuously educate the farmers and the facility butchers on proper techniques including inspection for unhealthy birds. Now there are less than 70 people in this position. Milei’s plan is to eliminate inefficient small organic farms to instead let big industrial farming grow to be more productive at the risk of people’s health. Less organic chickens from the field, or perhaps more unsafe chickens labeled as organic when shopping at the market.


 
When people talk about "unnecessarily employed people"- I always wonder- have you ever met, or talked to, any of these people?

I know a fair amount of people who have lost jobs, or had hours cut, as a result of Milei cuts.
In terms of outright firing, I dont think he fired very many people.
He was able, late last year, administratively, to not renew the contracts of many first year government employees- usually there is a year of contract work before you get regular salaried postions.
In December of last year, he did this with 5000 employees.
these were all first year hires. I can find no information about what jobs these were.
Then, in early May, he was able to do a similar thing- not renew contracts, not rehire temporary or part time workers.
there are some accounts that this affects up to 24,000 employees.
Again, very little info online as to who these workers were- I do know a bunch worked for the Womens Ministry.

I, personally, have known a bunch of people who were let go, or just ceased to get gig jobs, almost all in education and culture.
Many of these may be included in his 24,000 number.
In some cases, he just cut budgets to govt departments, or semi-independent entities, such as the Universities, the Libraries, and cultural organisations like INCAA.
I have met several people who worked at INCAA, doing things like projectionists, graphic designers, and people who managed and preserved old film, or programmed films in schools and prisons.
I know people who worked at musuems and arts exhibition spaces who are out of work.
Some were "appointed" level workers, who resign, typically, when a new government comes in, allowing the government to appoint new people, or, often, the same people back in their old jobs. I know a high level curator who is now unemployed. They were working 3 jobs, none of them paying much, and all 3 dried up, and they are now doing lower paid freelance work.
All the cultural and educational workers I know earned very little, and typically put in far more hours than they were paid.
I had a friend who made a tiny stipend as a board member of the Fondo Nacional de Artes, which gives tiny grants to artists and arts organisations. He always spent more of his own money driving around and going to meetings around the country, than he was paid for this position, and the small seed money they gave to organisations totalled very little, but made a great deal happen. The FNA is in limbo right now, with most of the board gone, and Milei threatening to close it completely.
Many of these organisations, like the Museo Latinoamericano, or INCAA, or the FNA, have large libraries and collections, which need to be preserved in controlled conditions, and managed by professionals, or the film, photos, textiles, and objects may decay or disentagrate.
It seems truly misguided to me to allow these collections to vanish, to save what is, in the greater scheme of things, a very tiny part of the budget.
UBA, for example, is integral to all kinds of income producing sectors of the Argentine economy, and cutting its budget will have major ramifications, in terms of many other businesses and sectors, far beyond the "savings".
Again, all the people I know who teach at UBA have to have "real" jobs to live- they teach sometimes at multiple schools, because they think its important, not for the tiny salaries.
The heads of departments might make (before Milei) $500 a month for jobs that in Europe or North America would be $150k to $300k annually. I had one friend who taught at UBA, La Plata, and in another state school, in Architecture, and, in total, made less than an encargado, and without his private sector work, would not have survived. This is pretty typical- almost all the professors have other jobs to live on.
The real "noquis", wherever they are, are not the ones losing jobs in these two rounds.
If there was no such thing as a Ñoqui, why would the Argentine vernacular have needed to come up with a word for one?
 
If there was no such thing as a Ñoqui, why would the Argentine vernacular have needed to come up with a word for one?
Who said that? Not me. What I said is that, so far, milei’s firings have not impacted many of the no show jobs, most of which, from what I can find out are in the provinces.
 
I know a lot of people. I’m an Argentine and my wife is born and bred here and she’s got a lot of friends here. Some of them support previous government for the fundings they received to do nothing! My in laws had a carer who quit because she started getting money from the previous government.
Universities are full foreign students who pay zero tuition. Is this fair or smart? So your academic friend’s fair pay goes to funding foreign students.
Artists and arts organisations; that’s where I knew the most people and they were so used to getting free money doing nothing. Most live a liberal life but are against Milei because he cut the free money.
I’m sure there are few honest people loosing jobs but this is what must be done now unfortunately.
NO HAY PLATA!! How do you expect government spend money like before? We are lucky to have Milei in the office!!
Out of 15 million people in greater Buenos Aires about 50,000 are foreign students, and only half are in university programs, but that includes the ones who pay to attend private schools as well as the public universities. Nationwide the percentage of students who are foreign in universities is around 2%. Hardly making UBA “full” of them. Its a very small part of the budget. I know dozens of people who work in the arts. None do “ nothing”.
 
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