Javier Milei Infuriates G-20 by Rejecting Call for Gender Equality

[TWB103]

So you came to Argentina? You realize with the exception of troglodytes like Milei that Argentina is one of the most progressive countries in terms of women's rights in Latin America. Why not go to Afghanistan if you hate all this "woke gender ideology"?

And Canada is a shitty place to live for several reasons (out of control cost of living and housing crisis, the economy being stagnant, healthcare insufficiently funded, etc.) but if equity and inclusion is why you left then you A) came to the wrong place, and B) must really hate women and minorities then, which again, of all countries, why Argentina? and C) This says more about you then it does Canada.

My unsolicited advice to far right people is that if you want to criticize progressive politics that's cool and all, but you guys sound like most divorced men in history the way you talk about women...

The main middleclass urban areas might be progressive but Argentina is not wholly progressive. If anything I hear the opposite.

 

[Ries]

The main middleclass urban areas might be progressive but Argentina is not wholly progressive. If anything I hear the opposite.

And yet, miraculously there are gay people in every province. Who have mothers and fathers and family members who love them.

 

[Redpossum]

Milei's foreign policy is doing well (cough cough)

Diana Mondino o la jefa del caos de Cancillería | El grosero error de llamar Falklands a las Malvinas, internas y aislamiento internacional

La canciller da muestras de desgobierno. El presidente Milei no le atiende el teléfono. La hermana Karina y sus viajes al exterior. El posible sucesor de Mondino, un negacionista.

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The usual Google Translate deal, banner is in Castellano and story will initially appear in that tongue, but wait a few seconds and it will change to English.

 

[TWB103]

And yet, miraculously there are gay people in every province. Who have mothers and fathers and family members who love them.

Cosmopolitan liberal middle class Argentina is not Argentina on the whole.

I know personally of very typical lower middle class families (teachers police etc) in the provinces where 2 family members are gay and have 'beards'. One is very clearly gay despite his efforts to hide it but it's never even hinted at. It would be comical if it wasn't sad. It's how my native country was 50 years ago. Also there's still a lot of machismo ie with married men having serial affairs with younger women etc.

Things might be changing with the younger generations but Argentina is not entirely a progressive paradise yet.

 

[Ries]

Cosmopolitan liberal middle class Argentina is not Argentina on the whole.

I know personally of very typical lower middle class families (teachers police etc) in the provinces where 2 family members are gay and have 'beards'. One is very clearly gay despite his efforts to hide it but it's never even hinted at. It would be comical if it wasn't sad. It's how my native country was 50 years ago. Also there's still a lot of machismo ie with married men having serial affairs with younger women etc.

Things might be changing with the younger generations but Argentina is not entirely a progressive paradise yet.

I would certainly not call a country that elected Milei a progressive paradise. But the general ability of gays and queers to exist in Argentina without being murdered simply for being gay puts it far above more than half the countries in the world. Its true, 4 women were set on fire earlier this year, and that trend, which I trace to Milei and his unabashed sexism, is horrible, but its still not very common.
in 2023, there were something like 133 crimes reported based on sexual orientation in all of Argentina. The USA is far worse, with usually around 50 people murdered every year due to being perceived as transgender.

But to reiterate a previous point- the non-binding agreement Milei refused to sign was about WOMEN and their rights, not LBGTQ people.
Certainly it would also apply to them, but its mainly addressed at 50% of the population.
I really doubt that no matter how conservative people are in Formosa or Chubut, they are in favor of revoking womens rights or legal protections currently enjoyed by all Argentines.

here is a link to the actual statement he found offensive- personally, I find things like being in favor of equal access to jobs, or education, or medical care, to be pretty basic human rights, and not offensive at all. But read it yourself, and see.

https://www.g20.org/pt-br/trilhas/trilha-de-sherpas/empoderamento-de-mulheres/11-10-24-documento_final-v2.pdf/@@download/file

Observatorio Nacional de Crímenes de Odio LGBT_Informe 2023.pdf

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[Redpossum]

At 14 pages, that's a long read.

I read the first two pages and skimmed the rest, and it's what I'd call a mixed bag of donuts. Some of it is reasonable, and some of it beyond what I would support.

There are some parts of the traditional "implied social contract" that make sense with biology, and that's just how it is. Sure, when newborn baby cries in the night, mom shouldn't have to get up and feed baby every time, dad should do it half the time, in theory. But dad doesn't have the equipment to feed baby, so that doesn't work in reality. Sweeping language like in this document doesn't acknowledge such basics, and thus when it becomes codified as law, it doesn't work, and distorts reality.

Not to mention the whole issue of DEI hires with inadequate skills getting the job just because they tick all the boxes with HR. Then you wind up with your fancy, expensive research ship driven onto a reef because the captain is incompetent.

 

[carride]

It is a non-binding pledge. There is no enforcement or penalty for not abiding to the signed document. Yet, by not signing Argentina loses potential investment of international conglomerates and other big business who are given a reason from shareholders, employees, and existing customers to not take a chance on Argentina. The one of twenty countries who give yet another of many reason to not invest.

 

[Redpossum]

It is a non-binding pledge. There is no enforcement or penalty for not abiding to the signed document. Yet, by not signing Argentina loses potential investment of international conglomerates and other big business who are given a reason from shareholders, employees, and existing customers to not take a chance on Argentina. The one of twenty countries who give yet another of many reason to not invest.

That's what happens when your chief executive is an idiot. He will cling to doctrine over pragmatism in this, but has apparently has zero problem with manipulating the currency which runs counter to all Libertarian principles.

 

[argeiCanuck]

At 14 pages, that's a long read.

I read the first two pages and skimmed the rest, and it's what I'd call a mixed bag of donuts. Some of it is reasonable, and some of it beyond what I would support.

There are some parts of the traditional "implied social contract" that make sense with biology, and that's just how it is. Sure, when newborn baby cries in the night, mom shouldn't have to get up and feed baby every time, dad should do it half the time, in theory. But dad doesn't have the equipment to feed baby, so that doesn't work in reality. Sweeping language like in this document doesn't acknowledge such basics, and thus when it becomes codified as law, it doesn't work, and distorts reality.

Not to mention the whole issue of DEI hires with inadequate skills getting the job just because they tick all the boxes with HR. Then you wind up with your fancy, expensive research ship driven onto a reef because the captain is incompetent.

Do Menial jobs need to be equally distributed?

No more chivalry night in shiny armor rescue damsels in distress.

If she is a man ,,, must be treated as such.

How does anyone (any gender) like that?

 

[Ries]

Do Menial jobs need to be equally distributed?

certainly it would be great if men did more of the menial jobs. women, globally, do far more of them, often for no pay.

No more chivalry night in shiny armor rescue damsels in distress.

Historically, most "nights" raped, and then murdered damsels in distress. Which of course, still happens globally today, just like those 4 women in May in Barracas. https://buenosairesherald.com/socie...ling-one-woman-in-buenos-aires-boarding-house

If she is a man ,,, must be treated as such.

I have known gays and lesbians since the 60s. As early as high school, I knew that some of my classmates were actually neither. I know trans men and trans women both in the USA and here in Argentina. There is no binary Man/Woman thing biologically, socially, or culturally, now, or in history- we have always had people who were both, neither, inbetween, and who lived as they really were.
Who, exactly, decides how anyone "must be treated"?
I know an Argentine who had a baby before they transitioned, and he could care less how you think he must be treated.

How does anyone (any gender) like that?

How can anyone, of any gender, fail to acknowledge universal human rights?